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Vestigial leaves in Tricho pups

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Hey I captured vestigial leaves in three of my trichos, so I thought I could open up a thread to share such photos. I noticed they tend to be completely different from species to species. Do they always produce them?

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T. bridgesii

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T. pachanoi , maybe with a hint of something else, maybe peruv

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T. cuzcoid

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a few plants form the leaves at the apex of every branch

i am not sure if the trait is of value in regards to identification, but it is interesting nontheless

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See this thread

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penis TBM

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this frew from seeds i purchased from a german vendor, i bought the seeds as T. peruvianus however, Mike IDed it a T. cuszco

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Cool. I am begining to think it is indeed somewhat different from species to species. Now we should get to see some 'real' peruvianus vestigial leaves

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another strain of what seems to be cuzco, again

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Eileen has them too...

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Anyone familiar with them on run of the mill T. bridgesii?

~Michael~

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Eileen has them too...

Anyone familiar with them on run of the mill T. bridgesii?

~Michael~

 

The archives are full of examples Michael.

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Zelly why can't I find many examples? Anyways, it's best to discuss this in a thread with 'vestigial leaves' in the title.

From what I understand they indeed are an IDing feat. f.e. they seem to have the same shape in all bridgesiis, even the TBM

For some reason, I have seen vestigial leaves in almost every strain pupping.

Hey Philo, what is that cross again? what's TPM? Tricho Peruv Monstrosa?

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Hey Philo, what is that cross again? what's TPM? Tricho Peruv Monstrosa?

yes, and i i believe SS01 is a peruvianus as well (so i read), so that makes this seedlinga T. peruvianus ;)

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Zelly why can't I find many examples? Anyways, it's best to discuss this in a thread with 'vestigial leaves' in the title.

 

Mutant-

How about a thread from July, 2005 by Trucha LEAVES ON TRICHOCEREUS

Elsewhere I've referred to these as possibly being vestigal leaves but the reality turns out to be they are simply leaves.

Some pictures were posted online for another cactus discussion group a while back.

Usually they are completely resorbed as the new growth expands but at least sometimes they leave small dried remnants.

I have no clue why they are formed sometimes and not others on a single plant nor why some plants produce them and others do not.

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[ 27. July 2005, 17:18: Message edited by: trout ]

 

 

I noticed this too on new puppies of one of my Trichocereus Bridgesii but i didn´t thought it could actually be leaves.

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I was thinking about these yesterday,

I have seen them on TBM, eileen, plus a couple of unnamed very good peruvianus.

They are now quite prominent on about 30% of my 3yr old bridgesii seedlings.

They are absent on at least a couple to my knowledge of good bridgesii clones.

Has anyone seen them on a Trich' that turned out to be weak or useless?

They may be a partial indicator when looking at seed growns and wondering..

 

 

I noticed this on my eileen pup

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Mutant-

How about a thread from July, 2005 by Trucha LEAVES ON TRICHOCEREUS

 

how, I saw that, but was looking for photos, not text, sorry.

so they're not vestigial after all, so the thread title is wrong?

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ive noticed the vestigal leaves are always the first part to pop out of the skin on tbms,maybe thats their job?

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^^

I think they're rather biggy and more often in TBMs. but they're pretty big in bridgesiis in general from the little experience I got

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Look at a flower bud close enough and you'll see what the vestial leaves are or could have become.

I don't think they have a function on a pup. It's more like, Why do dad's have nipples?

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This fat tip retains its leaves. I should try to get a better picture

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good posts!

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I have a plant with these at every single areole, it is just shy of a meter tall. It is a hybrid of a pach form and a peruvianoid form.

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funny this thread got revived. I haven't noticed any leaves this year as of yet!

would amps and interbeings photos show 'true' peruvians ? the leaves indeed to be different from the cuzco leaves

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