Some Other Herbs in Need of Further Investigation

[friendly]

Scutellaria biakalensis, sometime called 'mad dog skullcap; I have smoked this and it shows promise. I think I may have once made an extract and then set it aside and never tested it.

The root has sedating properties and smoking the foliage is relaxing and calming with a bit of psy. activity.

Voacanga africana root bark; someone needs to do an a/b on this one.

I made an acetone 12.5:1 that had a very peculiar odor when pyrolized, one often associated with Acacia resins. Threshold effects were noticed.

Assorted Artemisia species; some are used to 'extend' cannabis in Mexico and add noticably to the effects. A. absinthum, in particular, but I hear reports of people in the midwest USA smoking 'Sweet Annie'; Artemisia annua.

I am told M. hostilis seeds are worthy of extraction and that M. scabrella root bark is active.

I have sent samples of the root bark to someone reliable to assay and am awaiting results.

Somehow I can't bring myself to destroy that many M. hostilis seeds, though...

Here's one you may not have heard of yet:

Alchornia floribunda root from Africa, of which I am awaiting a sample. "...in the Belgian Congo it is known as niando and the root has been found to have properties similar to those of Indian hemp. The root-bark, dried and pulverized and mixed with food causes a sort of intoxication, in some cases mild, in others violent, and is made use of to induce a desired temporary excitement or vigour, physical or verbal, and for an aphrodiciac effect. Or the root fibers are macerated for several days in palm wine or banana wine, and the liquid is drunk to stimulate energy and excitement in festive dances, etc, often leading to abandoned excesses, or taken when going to war.

Also, parings of the root, dried in the sun and mixed with salt are chewed for similar effects.

The action seems to be at first excitation, followed by depression, according to dose and individual temperment, habituation, etc and it may be fatal.

It is considered to be as harmful as Cannabis and crimes attributed to the latter are often really the result of indulgence in niando, or of both used together. In some districts it is a hunter's fetish." (The Useful Plants of West Tropical Africa, J.M. Dalziel, MD, being an Appendix to "The Flora of West Tropical Africa" by J. Hutchinson and J.M. Dalziel, 1937, reprint, 611 pgs, pg 136). Available from www.JLHudsonSeedsman.net

I heard about this one 20some-odd year ago and just found a source after all this time.

JLH has some great reprints on their site.

That should hold you for a while. ;-)

omtao,

So many herbs; so little time

[Pisgah]

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I hear reports of people in the midwest USA smoking 'Sweet Annie'; Artemisia annua.

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Extract or foliage? Have you heard if it's similar to absinthum?

[Stonehenge]

A plant I'm growing now is called the toothache plant. I have the botanical name if anyone wants me to look it up. They say people used it to relieve the pain of a toothache though I don't know if it works on other things or not. Another one I'm growing is alternathera lehmanii an admixture plant for ayahuasca in s america. I smoked a little and got a very interesting buzz from it.

Stoney

[spiders]

all sound very interesting.

So was lagochilus as good as it was supposed to be in the end?

[teonanacatl]

oops list isnt finished yet.

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[teonanacatl]

Pelecyphora aselliformis - Peyotillo

http://www.entheology.org/edoto/anmviewer.asp?a=72&z=5

Maquira sclerophylia - Rapa dos Indios

http://www.entheology.org/edoto/anmviewer.asp?a=61&z=5

Lycoperdon mixtecorum - Bovista

http://www.entheology.org/edoto/anmviewer.asp?a=59&z=5

Epithelantha micromeris - Hikuli Mulato

http://www.entheology.org/edoto/anmviewer.asp?a=48&z=5

Desfontainia spinosa - Taique

http://www.entheology.org/edoto/anmviewer.asp?a=46&z=5

Coryphantha compacta - Pincushion Cactus

http://www.entheology.org/edoto/anmviewer.asp?a=40&z=5

Caesalpina sepiaria - Yun Shih

http://www.entheology.org/edoto/anmviewer.asp?a=33&z=5

Pernettya furens - Hierba loca

http://www.entheology.org/edoto/anmviewer.asp?a=73&z=5

Rynchosia phaseoloides - Piule

http://www.entheology.org/edoto/anmviewer.asp?a=82&z=5

Scirpus atrovirens - Bakana

http://www.entheology.org/edoto/anmviewer.asp?a=85&z=5

Scopolia carniolica - Scopolia

contains alkaloids similar to belladonna

Solandra grandiflora - Chalice Vine

used as a sacred narcotic in Mexico

Tanaecium nocturnum - Koribo

Cynanchum caudatum - Ikema

tubers contain toxic glycosides; formerly used ritually by Ainu shamans after a now-unknown process of detoxification

Espostoa lanata- old man cactus

Mirabilis multiflora - So'ksi

root used by the Hopi as a hallucinogen

Latua Arbol de los Brujos, Sorcerers' Tree - a South American hallucinogen

Rhododendron ponticum- Pontic Azalea, (Turkish) Azalia - intoxicant, narcotic (sometimes in the form of 'deli bal', 'mad honey') and used as a treatment for rheumatism

Iochroma fuchsioides Guatillo, Arbol de Campanilla, Nacadero, Paguanda, Borrachero - smoked or made into tea as a mind-altering drug; probably contains tropane alkaloids

Pandanus nuts, in kai kai aniani the author states that a mold or fungis that grows on these seeds could be responsible for the Karuka madness

also found in the book is the following, mangrove bark is sometimes used as a substitute for betel nut. other stimulants include, wild cinnamon, leaves of callicarpa caudata, clerodendron paniculatum, fleurya sp and phyllanthus sp.

the juice of anamirta cocculus(fruit is poisonous) and monstera sp and the sap of the bread fruit.

Armatocereus laetus- supposedly used similar to trichocereus pachanoi. some believe that the cactus contains no active and is eaten for rituals sake.

Boletus manicus- produces states similar to lsd, see benjamin thomas's site here for more info

http://www.shaman-australis.com/%7Ebenjami...omas/index.html

now im not sure if u were asking for plants that need further investigation or stating some but here is a interesting list:D

here is a interesting link:

http://www.ibiblio.org/ecolandtech/links/s...1/msg00174.html

[friendly]

Sweet Annie foliage is smoked as an MJ substitute.

An extract would probably be a good idea.

There are many plants out there that need further investigation. I listed only a few.

Sorcerer's tree is most likely a Brugmansia.

I am familiar with most of the plants listed by Teo, but didn't find the available information compelling enough to make me want to investigate most of them.

China has some interesting and underexplored plant entheogens, some of which Teo has listed.

I looked into a few of these and was dissapointed to find that the plant did not live up to it's reputation.

One must not lose hope, however. There are many quite active plants still to be brought out of nature and experimented with.

I suggest buying up old herbal reference works from little known locales, such as in Africa and parts of India and perusing them with an eye to unusual notations. This has worked out quite well for me and I see no reason why it wouldn't work for anyone else.

Books listing native uses of herbs from wherever can be treasure troves. Older books tend to be less secretive and more informative it comes to describing unusual plant properties.

Happy hunting.

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[spiders]

Boletus manicus seesm very interesting, although it would be the only known psychoative from that species of mushroom and this would warrant caution until the known alkaloid or psychoactive agent could be identified.

There was one study early on with laughing gyms from Japan that suggested that they contained no psilocybin, but did contain a 'neurotoxin' - pleasant, but permanent damage.

[t st tantra]

alchornea sp are used with iboga and ayahausca.

i found an oz plant alchornea ilicifolia,its native on torstens block!

i smoked the stem and the root bark.the effects were mild but quite pleasant and relaxing,defiately noticable.good flavour too.

tried a little orally but didnt notice much.

i assume its used to make other plant drugs more pleasant as well as alone for its own effects.

i have an extreem sensitivity to tiny amounts of lsa's and find i'm interested in the root nuts of my spider plants[cyperus sp],are these piri piri?

t s t .

'if perchance i have seen further than others ,it is because i have been standing on the shoulders of gnomes'

t s t .

[Rev]

 

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Armatocereus laetus- supposedly used similar to trichocereus pachanoi. some believe that the cactus contains no active and is eaten for rituals sake.

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the intructios were to take 6 foot of cactus and boil it 18 hours

so much effort for a placebo? till proven o/wise ill take the indios word for it

[teonanacatl]

:D :D

[Auxin]

Has anyone worked out a particularly effective extraction solvent for Scutellaria baicalensis?

I have two second year plants, not enough plant matter to experiment with different extraction protocols and still leave the plants healthy, but enough to try extracting one way.

To date I've experimented with raw aerial portions.

50 mg dried foliage smoked did very little

100 mg dried foliage smoked produced perceivable sedation

150 mg dried foliage smoked produced mild sedation, calming, euphoria, anxiolysis, and complimented a comedy movie well [1] effects lasted ~ 3 hours

100 mg dried flowers smoked was largely equivalent to the 150 mg dose level of foliage but with a hint of possible psychadelic potential

150 mg dried flowers smoked was similar to the above but a bit more potent, hint of psychadelic potential was again noted, it did not properly compliment a violent movie [2] this seems to be a drug more suited for joyous merrymaking.

Next year my Scutellaria barbata plants will be big enough to try too

I havent heard a specific report on it yet.. anyone tried it?

[friendly]

151 proof ethanol should work nicely. There is some water in it, so you get the best of both worlds.

Reflux for 6 hours then decant, strain and return to the vessel for solvent recovery and concentration.

How much you concentrate it is up to you.

You might consult ER (entheogen review, vol 15 #4 pgs 120-2) for my article (as told to Mambo Pachano) on simple home extractions using nothing more complicated than common kitchen utensils. The title used for the article was not my idea; it was supposed to be about simple home extractions with a few examples, but the gnomes got ahold of it and it mutated.

I might also suggest soaking the material in a non-polar solvent for 72 hours and then straining and evaporating the solvent off to recover the extracted compounds. This will most likely produce a different alkaloid profile than the etoh/h2o extraction.

Always have good ventilation--outdoors works best, if you can do it--when evaporating a NPS (non-polar solvent) as the fumes are both explosive and poisonous.

I find it rather interesting that someone would go back three years to find this thread and resurrect it. I had completely forgotten it existed.