[Hashassian]

nasty little plant that grows everywhere here in the mallee.
curse for farmers, curse for my bike tyres and curse for your feet.....but being a former body builder and seeing the amount of this herb being consumed for a testosterone booster, im thinking a EXTRACTION may be in order.
Has anyone ever mucked around with this?
Ive read a water/alcohol extraction is used? what about A\B?
also reading up, im surprised at the range of wonders this little nightmare holds!

[The Dude]

I think they sell just the dried root powder, or other parts of the plant, no extract tho. If you ever end up harvesting some I'd be interested in purchasing a bit maybe.. although I hear it grows as a weed somewhere in SA also.

[Hashassian]

dude, bring a trailer and grab as much as you want.
not the best plant to work with....freakin prickles.

iam drying a heap now. i intend to chop it up, roots, leaves, stems and fruit, blend it with some water, evaporate, do a couple of pulls with IPA as see what comes out?

otherwise, yep just dry and powder up.

my minister of war reakons anything to boost my test level and get me chasing her around the bedroom again is a good thing!! lol

[planthelper]

it grows a bit in my area aswell, but not enough to make it worth while to collect.

i know that tribulus has got some maoi properties, which help to synergise with some herbs but pose maybe risks if mixed with others.

a chemist might know and tell us, but my guess is that the steroid type goodies will not be extracted via an A/B,
but some psycho active ones maybe instead.

[t st tantra]

The Dude, on 09 February 2010 - 04:15 AM, said:

I think they sell just the dried root powder, or other parts of the plant, no extract tho. If you ever end up harvesting some I'd be interested in purchasing a bit maybe.. although I hear it grows as a weed somewhere in SA also.

come around here and i'll point you to some a few streets away.an alcohol ext was a very pleasant smoke,nice green colour,from fresh,whole aerial parts.

t s t .

[Slybacon]

I think they sell a tribulus terrestris and Tongkat Ali extract in cap form in the shop.

For energy and endurance you cant go past the tongkat ali. You feel great on it

[Hashassian]

smoke it tantra?
after evap what was left gooy or powder?

bout the best thing ive found so far, especially if you want to make a cream and have vaginal issues!! lol


DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF THE PREFERRED EMBODIMENT

Method of Harvesting the Herb Tribulus Terrestris L

1. The herb Tribulus Terrestris L is harvested from the southern part of Bulgaria where high concentration of steroidal saponins, sapogenins and sterols in the herb has been confirmed by years of analysis.

2. The parts of the herb Tribulus Terrestris L used are: leaves, fruits and stems.

3. Method for quick analysis of steroidal saponins, sapogenins and sterols:

Take 500 mg. from the harvested and dried (at a temperature of 45° C.) plant material (leaves, fruits, and stems) of Tribulus Terrestris L.

Blend for 15 minutes in a blender with 200 ml. water. If the white foam level of the saponins is 1.5 times higher than the water level, the plant is ready for harvesting.

Once activity of steroidal saponins is confirmed, the harvesting process must be finished within one week.

Time of harvesting in Bulgaria is usually between July 1-July 30 and, depending on the weather conditions, as late as August 15.

4. Once the plant has been harvested it must be stored in a dry place or dried immediately.

5. Drying of the herb must be done at a low temperature (40° C.) in an oven or at room temperature in a dry, very well ventilated facility. In order to keep the activity of the steroidal saponins in the raw material high the moisture content has to be less than 10%.

Extraction Method of the Herb Tribulus Terrestris L

Extraction is done with a blender. Prior to blending, a high speed shredder and mixer pulverizes the tissues thereby completely releasing the steroidal saponins and sapogenins from the herb. The size of the cuts is 0.1 mm to 10 mm. A mixture of leaves, fruit and stems is used.

EXAMPLE

Shred a mixture of leaves, fruit and stems of Tribulus Terrestris to a size of 0.1 to 10 mm in a shredder. For each 1 g of mixture, add about 300 ml deionized (DI) water and extract for about 15 min in a blender. Sufficient speed should be used to create a substantial vortex. Add about 150 ml ethyl alcohol, mix, leave for 48 hours and then filter. Distill off the ethyl alcohol then concentrate the water extract with a vacuum evaporator to about 1 ml for each g of starting mixture. Finally, mix with a cream base to a concentration of 5% and 7.5% Tribulus Terrestris L concentrated water extract. Any cream base used for dermatological uses can be used. Alternatively, mix with glycerin or paraffin to make into a suppository form.

Testing of Creams

Creams made as described above with 5% and 7.5% Tribulus Terrestris L concentrated water extract were used for local treatment in 275 women with vulvo-vaginitis. A physician carried out the treatment after obtaining samples from the vagina, cervix and vulva. In most cases the condition was classified as candidiasis. Application of the creams was done after the confirmation of the diagnosis through microbiological testing. Quick improvement of the symptoms of the vulva was noted even on the first day of the application of the cream.

The treatment had very good acceptance according to the opinion of the patients as well as their physicians. Vaginal antiseptic creams are preparations for treatment of local problems of the vulva in the region of the vulvo-vagina. The epithelia of the vagina is an effective barrier against infection, however, at the same time it is a propitious environment for the development of protective flora and can permit development of numerous pathogenic microorganisms. These vaginal antiseptic creams are used for the treatment of vulvo-vaginitis through their action on the genital mucosa as a skin disinfectant.

Efficacy in addition to good acceptance in one delicate and inflamed area are the main qualities of the treatment. The creams are antiseptic against numerous microorganisms and do not irritate. Their action has a maximal effectiveness in pH 4-5.6, which is precisely the physiologic value of pH in the vagina as well as the pathological values of pH there.

For this reason a multi-parameter investigation was done with 275 women suffering clinically from vulvo-vaginitis, proven micro biologically, in order to determine the efficacy, lack of side effects and acceptance of the treatment for infections of the lower genitalia.

Patients: The investigation was conducted with women above 16 years of age with vulvo-vaginitis with various etiology (bacteria, fungi, parasites, etc.) with at least two of the following symptoms:

leukorrhea

pruritus

burning

edema

erythema

Patients with the associated symptoms of the upper genitalia were excluded from the study.

Two hundred and seventy-five (275) patients were followed for a period of 9 months. The patients' ages varied from 16 to 62 years with a mean age of 32. More than 90% were younger than 45 years. In 71.6% of the cases the patients were using contraception, most often oral (44.40%) and intra-uterine (25.1%).

Lower genital pathology (vulvo-vaginitis) was the cause for consultation in 63.3% of the cases and 29.1% were regular patients in whom vulvo-vaginitis was diagnosed. A tendency of recurrence is seen in approximately 40.7% of women diagnosed with vulvo-vaginitis.

The initial diagnosis during investigation was:

candidiasis--83.9%

trichomonasis--7.3%

bacterial vaginosis--4.0%

chlamidia cervicitis--0.8%

herpes--0.8%

e-coli--0.8%

condyloma--0.8%

infected ectopia--0.8%

abscess of the left labia--0.8%

diagnosis of mycosis was confirmed in 76% of the cases and rejected in 24%.

The treatment with the antiseptic creams was carried out by a physician, who used the following technique of endocervical treatment:

With a speculum open the vagina. With swab, dry out and clean with the disinfecting solution. After that with a cotton swab, apply the cream of this invention to the whole vagina, including the cervix. After removing the speculum, apply cream also to the vulva. The treatment is not affected by the menstrual cycle.

Note: vaginal antiseptic creams will not replace etiologic treatment of the diseases of the vagina: they were applied in combination with the etiologic treatment. Creams were applied in combination with:

antimycotic locally--34%

antimycotic general application in combination with local application--7%

polyvalent wide spectrum local therapy--33%

trichomonadicide, general application--13%

oral antibiotics--3%

anti-virus--1%

Investigation consisted of three obligatory check-ups. The first check-up was done at the beginning of treatment (first day of the check-up)thorough clinical gynecologic check-up, obligatory microbiological investigation and competent endocervical sampling. The second check up (second endocervical sample) was carried out on the seventh day. The third check-up was done on the fourteenth day of the treatment. In cases of regression, without complete healing on the fourteenth day, a new application of the cream to the vagina was done.

The total effectiveness of the treatment was evaluated on the basis of the development of the clinical symptoms, which motivated the person to be included in the investigation: leukorrhea, pruritus, burning, edema and erythema. Each clinical symptom was evaluated on a degree from 0 to 3, according to the intensity during each check-up:

0--lack

1--of low importance

2--important

3--very important

The following of all symptoms during the check-up allowed following the clinical development of the process.

Each undesirable effect was noted on the evaluation sheet. It was presented during the second check-up. The sheet required the patient to evaluate the acceptance of the treatment as well as the development of the symptoms, general treatment and the vaginal cream in particular.

Two clinical symptoms are the main complaint during vulvo-vaginitis--leukorrhea and pruritus (FIG. 1). During the etiological treatment and the treatment with the 7.5% cream, most of the important symptoms (No. 2 and 3) disappeared on the second check-up on day 7 of the treatment (FIGS. 2 and 3). Results were evaluated on day 3, day 5 and day 7. These results were very significant. In 93% of the cases the patients were considered healed. That is the total result is less or equal on day 3, 5 and 7.

Development of the symptoms was evaluated each day by the patient up to the 7th day of the treatment, which allowed for assessment of the speed of improvement of the leukorrhea, pruritus and burning. Symptoms of the leukorrhea, pruritus and burning had almost disappeared by the 3rd -4th day. See FIG. 4.

Vaginal creams with 5% and 7.5% Tribulus Terrestris L were very well accepted by 9 out of 10 patients. Acceptance was perceived as good in 85% of the cases and mediocre in 3.3% (FIG. 5). Subjectively, acceptance was considered good by 98.4% of the patients and bad by 2.4%. Thus, treatment continues in 98% of the cases.

Side effects reported were:

itching

slight irritation in the beginning

slight redness in the beginning

Overall vaginal creams could be considered well received in practice treatment. Again it was not the objective of this investigation to have the 7.5% cream replace treatment, but to use it in combination with etiologic treatment: i.e. antimycotic or polyvalent, local or general. In other words, the 7.5% cream is not used as the main treatment for diseases of the vagina but as an additional treatment with a dual role. Use of the creams results in: faster action on the functional symptoms (pruritus, burning, pain), local treatment against inflammation and infection of the vulva. The only inconvenience is that the treatment and endocervical sample should be carried out by a gynecologist, well qualified to treat the inflammatory diseases of women. Thus, local treatment is recommended.

In this study the qualities of the 7.5% cream were as follows:

efficacy--in 70% of the patients the leukorrhea was diminished and in 93% was

considered healed by the 7th day.

fast action, improvement of the functional symptoms even on the 3rd day.

acceptance--good in 87.7% of cases

lack of side effects during application in 98% of cases.

The use of the 7.5% cream was pleasurable to most of the patients (endocervical sample only once, rarely second time, by physician) and better than formerly used antiseptics in 39.6% of cases, where there was a former practice of application of antiseptic solutions and/or globules.

Two hundred and seventy-five (275) women with vulvo-vaginitis were treated with the 7.5% and 5% creams of this invention in combination with local or general treatment of the vagina. Most of the symptoms disappeared on the 3rd -5th day or on the 7th day. During this study the treatment of vulvo-vaginitis passed through two phases: adapted etiologic treatment, and additional local treatment of the vulva, which decreases the functional symptoms and benefits fight against infection.

Vaginal antiseptic creams in 7.5% and 5% strength with their efficacy, acceptance and lack of side effects represent an additional local adapted treatment. This investigation was carried out in French Department Specialise Gynecologie Obstetrique Sofia, Bulgaria by Dr. B. Kirtchev.

The invention has been described with reference to particular embodiments. Other modifications and enhancements can be made without departing from the spirit and scope of the claims that follow.

[t st tantra]

smoked,was not a powder but was easy to use.

t s t .

[planthelper]

nice info, hasha!

some of it reminds me of tantras heimia alchemy,
and i think one could come up with a lot of interresting materials.

i never thought of using the whole plant, but now, i am looking forward to make my own tribulus smoke,
cheers for the inspiration t st.

[Slybacon]

Ok, with the dried powder, what sort of daily dose is required. I have one of the 60g vials i want to make into caps. I will be taking this with a daily dose of Tongkat Ali. The tongkat ali is 14 days on 6 off, WIll this sort of cycle be good for the root powder?

Im taking these to train for a surf trip to sumatra in june

Thanks