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Slybacon, on 02 August 2010 - 12:09 PM, said:

Here is a similar case in australia, it goes down as i imagined it would.....

Good on them...least they had some balls....I would love to know what happens next. Could he sue for wrongful arrest? Cop was a prick and I would love to see him sued.....
In a trivial situation I might just give it ago....when my house is on the line...too risky

[ref1ect1ons]

Quite a contrast between redneck australia and civilised england, I am an aussie and I liked the way the man spoke and I suppose the judges attitude was not uniquely aussie, he just had a tough crowd this time round. I think we can do better with our unique way of speaking, the english were all uptight, but that guy was like "nah, listen, we have rights" and I was like yeah his right mate, fair dinkum (sp?)lol ...a real connection.

[ref1ect1ons]

Freeman are being noticed, so I welcome the criticism. Even if it is false; "above the law", what you mean like every politician.

http://www.infowars....titutionalists/

"In the latest release the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) identifies, “the number of people who now consider themselves sovereign citizens, Americans above the law who adhere only to the Constitution and follow a revised history of the United States”.

[Slybacon]

I dont think it is as easy here. Who do u complain to when the cops and the judges don't accept your status. Short of actually fighting for your rights its a brick wall in this country.

[ref1ect1ons]

It's a process, we may not be able to live as real freeman now, but lets pretend to make real. We keep pushing and it will come to pass, I think it will anyways, still many dont believe, but when they do it will change faster.

[AndyAmine.]

I love the freeman concept but one thing I have an issue with (I feel the flames already) is why a person once becoming a practising 'freeman on the land' would be happy accepting services paid for by the taxes given from others that are choosing to take part in a government run society such as ambos, fire brigade, bulk billing healthcare, driving on the roads, using public transport etc?

Isn't it a bit hypocritical to want your bread buttered on both sides?

[Slybacon]

I hear ya, but it isn't exactly the case. When you go freeman you are living to the constitution only. You disregard anything corporate and not in the constitution. Im sure they would still call the cops if there was a crime being commited, or an ambo if you needed help. They may even pay for the ambo if they dont have a health care card. Its a grey area but they still feel part of the system just the old part.

[ref1ect1ons]

So the fuzz approach.
police "take your hands out-of your pockets" very direct, trying to take power over me.
me "I am a soveriegn man, I do not consent to anything"
a little shicked police "ha, what's a soveriegn man" smirk
me"look it up, it's not my job to educate you" there was also some tit tat where he tried to get a name unsucessfully.
police"where are you from"
me"here"
police"whats your address"
me"i dont have to give you my address unless you tell me what the problem is, understand" always best to throw a couple 'understand' in there.
Bit of riff raf, female police officer bitching, them driveling on... about break-ins, I reply that "any intelligent individual can see that i have not stolen anything"
More drivel
me"stop, you're going to tell me what the problem is now or im free to go"
male police officer tried to drivel on again, trying to say the opposite which is a lie. I turn to female and say
me"are you acting as a peace officer or as a.."
she cuts me off "im acting as a person"
as soon as she said that I walked away, turned around and said "go fuck yourselves"
continued to walk as they got in their police car, as they drove past I spat in their direction and they waved.

I won. yes i did tell them to get nodded. No it wasn't freeman techniques but it does show that you should NEVER give police any information unless they confirm that it is as part of their duty as a peace officer, otherwise, if there is no case against you, you're free to go and dont have to answer any of their questions.
I made it very clear that he serves me and that he was wasting my time(i said this directly during some of the riff raff), I also made it clear that I, as a soveriegn, have more power then the commercial entity whoes policies he blindly enforces. Made clear when I asked under what capacity they were acting.

Yes some wimpy nay sayers will say "next time they'll... you were just lucky", but what do they know.

This post has been edited by ref1ect1ons: 06 September 2010 - 10:49 PM