OK, I found a copy of Black's Law Dictionary (at the rather interesting URL http://blacks.worldf.../1/A/a-0045.jpg)
I'm assuming that since it is the copy held at worldfreemansociety.org it is probably most likely to be biased towards the Freeman claims (if it is biased at all). Since I don't have a real copy of the dictionary (and it's quite expensive to buy), I'll just have to trust that that is the real thing.
The page I linked to is the one with Advise on it. The meaning given is exactly as I understand the word to mean in common English.
I'm sorry to be nitpicky about this - I'm just using this as an example.
I genuinely like the idea of the freeman stuff and think a lot of it has real validity philosophically. However much of the material that I have read on the topic, and the people that I have spoken to, has/have been very poorly researched, full of poor logic, strange assumptions, and uncritical thinking. Unfortunately that makes me distrust the whole thing.
Just out of interest, here is the image of the page for 'understand'. You'll note that although vaguely defined, it has its common english meaning too.
So yeah. Totally unconvinced by your playful use of 'ad-vice'.
Occi, did you bother to read my responce post to your enquiry relating to the word advise? It showed the meaning of words with the web page you presented http://www/etymonlin...p?search=advise
& the meaning of that word, for instance & I agree if you look up the meaning for the word "advise" it will give you the meaning of it, which is " to give counsel to
",& the meaning of the word vise on its own means vise c.1300, "device like a screw or winch for bending a crossbow or catapult," from O.Fr. vis, viz "screw," from L. vitis "vine, tendril of a vine," lit. "that which winds," from base of viere "to bind, twist" (see withy). The meaning "clamping tool with two jaws closed by a screw" is first recorded c.1500.
So if you take the two words Ad & vise & make one word advise the meaning is to give counsel to & device like a screw or winch, bind, twist
however as I said break the word up or look up the word vice you will get its meaning & the web page also made suggestion or links of words by association I.E. Vice, join the two words & you get advice or ad-vice, vice (1)moral fault, wickedness," c.1300, from O.Fr. vice, from L. vitium "defect, offense, blemish, imperfection," in both physical and moral senses (cf. It. vezzo "usage, entertainment").
the word Ad is simply as it indicates.. to add. You are infact correct in your comprehension of its meaning in common english, but don't think for an instant that the justice system is here to fight for or protect you or play in the same common english comprehension as you, for example of a word & its non common english presentation ( & no visable listing of proof either ) " justice system" ..... Just Us system when you look at it outside of common english comprehension you can see that courts act in that exact manner... Just Us system, or another example.... the itialian word for Police..... Polici or Pol-ici, when you split up the word it sounds like policy = policy enforcer & what are cops? enforcers of corporation law or corporational policy, basically what I am saying is, think outside of the box or the norm, if you think cunningly as they do, you start to see the connection..... heh or not
Nobody said, that words don't have a common english meaning, what I said it that it also has another meaning, I also said take a look at rogdog's recent post that has a webpage link & the info on that page has info relating to registration of cars, local council & other interesting info, & on that web page it provides an example of the word understand & its meaning to the courts & courts alone, how you interpret its meaning will not be the same as the courts
If you fail to see the connection of words or how words can be changed to have a different meaning, then sadly no one will be able to help you comprehend it, One thing that is worth mentioning is nobody & I mean nobody was born with freeman theory. I used your web page search & another user also said that its legalese "another language" & your still not convinced, nobody is here to convince you of anything stated in the posts here, that is for you & you alone to decide on its authenticity, but people post opinions/theories merely to assist others with a comprehension of how legal games are played within the justice system in this country,
Nobody has ever said that their reserach is correct or true or complete or not misleading, most simply research a possibility on the grounds of "what if" & whatever the research turns up, it is then up to the researcher to comprehend how to utilise the info & if it can help their cause in any way or obtain a better comprehension of how to utilise it against facilities, the thing about the freeman theory is that ALL info pertaining to it can only ever be hearsay or opinion or theory as there isn't any actual proof in its existance or its successfulness, some have small wins & others don't win at all, it all comes down to how you conduct yourself accordingly in a facility that is setup in a way to ensure to the best of its ability for you to lose... no matter what the cost. You will only ever be able to utilise what you comprehend to be logical & rational on a legal level & to debate it on their playing field
I have attended two court matters pertaining to people who also had the theory on the freeman & have studied it at great length, with the end result that the magistrate simply did not acknowlege it as the establishment can't afford too, so all of the freeman theory can only ever be used to debate one's sovereign position in a court room event. If you are a freeman you are not under the jurisdiction of the justice system the problem is to show with irrefutable proof that you are a freeman & that is the very problem, as they just don't want to acknowlege that, It is a trueism that if you find it difficult to comprehend all the freeman information then it is strongly suggested that you don't use freeman techniques as you can get yourself in a lot of trouble, magistrates find it difficult when dealing with those who have a solid comprehension of law & how it works & those who quote specific areas in law that are being ignored by a magistrate, I.E. denial of due process of law, the magistrate is not the law & is only ever an adjudicator & nothing more S/he cannot have an opinion as it is not within his jurisdiction as a magistrate to do so.
I was told earlier by another user that I would have my arse handed to me based upon my knowledge isn't almost encyclopaedic, due to my own reasons I choose not to disproove the comment which would be extremely simple to do, as I feel the "other user" is not what they present themselves to be & agents of that nature are an entity to be weary of.
The cops can't comprhend it & don't even try & the magistrate can not allow the cat to get out of the bag. The scam is greater than just are you a freeman or not, it breaks down & destroys their very position of presumed authority & power & it is for that reason that it is extremely hard to win a freeman logical based, theory, opinion or even a well executed legal debate, however I have been shown a very simple way to make it just as hard for them to disproove as much as it is hard to proove one is/can be a freeman, esentially a stalemate. neither them or us wins
In one court case where the victim in this instance was told by the magistrate.... " you don't know who you are & therefor I cannot deal with you". The reality of what the magisrate was actually saying is, as a freeman I can't deal with you & I have no jurisdiction over you, being that the "victim" was already incarcerated the magistrate simply allowed the continuation of deprivation of liberty, as the victim refused to consent to the strawman con fantasy, the Victim was thus returned to Arthur Gorrie correctional center until a later date.
It was not until a friend of the victim lodged a Hapus Corpus ( not sure on spelling) in Brisbane court, which is a court order to present the body, would of created all sorts of legal ramifications for Beenleigh court & the presiding magistrate dealing with the matter, they let the victim go before the Haepus Corpus came into effect which inturn negated the deprivation of liberty against the victim, & the whole matter was dropped, but not before they managed to detain the victim for 14 days.
All in all there is nothing to be apologetic about Occi, if you are unconvinced that is simply for everyone else to accept & for you continue on in your journey in life, nothing in any of the posts is stated to convince anyone of anything, it is simply hypothesis, opinions & theories, it is the end user to believe or not