Yawning Man Posted April 14, 2008 Hi all Just wondering if anyone had a nice clear photo of a fully grown Ipomoea vine that they could share with me? I've had a look at a few photos on erowid but they're mostly of the flowers and seeds. I'm also wondering if you can grow the vines from cuttings? (big fan of cuttings by the way). The reason i'm asking is that i've found a few vines that i'm pretty sure are morning glory just growing rampant next to a train line. So i'm sure no one will miss them if i take a few vines/seeds. The flowers are absolutely beautiful and a rich blue colour. cheers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nabraxas Posted April 14, 2008 The reason i'm asking is that i've found a few vines that i'm pretty sure are morning glory just growing rampant next to a train line. So i'm sure no one will miss them if i take a few vines/seeds. The flowers are absolutely beautiful and a rich blue colour. that sounds right. there are a ton ov them growing on the Melbourne train lines. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ballzac Posted April 14, 2008 The ipomoeas growing along the train lines in melbourne are NOT violacea. I think they're purpurea. Good luck finding seeds on them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nabraxas Posted April 14, 2008 (edited) Ipomoea violacea Ipomoeas purpurea I thought they were violacea going by the blue flowers, but i'm only guessing. I agree that they never seem to have seed pods on them, but i've been told that that's because it's too cold for them in Melbourne. Edited April 14, 2008 by nabraxas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kindness Posted April 14, 2008 Not sure if anyone else got some of the FSR ipomea violacea's a while ago but I was all excited waiting for what I remembered heavenly blues to look like, (have grown them in the past) but was greeted with what would appear to be I. Purpurea which then proceeded to set a whole lot of seed which I have never seen the weedy ones do. I don't get it? Is it a cross breed with I.Violacea? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MORG Posted April 15, 2008 (edited) The other weedy common one is I. indica. If you live south of NNSW you're pretty much guaranteed of never finding I. violaceae growing as a weed. I'm pretty sure I. violaceae might even be an annual in parts of SE Australia. Search for all three species on the search engine here (they've been covered quite a few times) and have a look on PlantNet for the species descriptions and you'll have all your answers. Edited April 15, 2008 by MORG Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yawning Man Posted April 15, 2008 Hmm interesting. Thanks everyone. c'ya Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ballzac Posted April 15, 2008 Not sure if anyone else got some of the FSR ipomea violacea's a while ago but I was all excited waiting for what I remembered heavenly blues to look like, (have grown them in the past) but was greeted with what would appear to be I. Purpurea which then proceeded to set a whole lot of seed which I have never seen the weedy ones do. I don't get it? Is it a cross breed with I.Violacea? Are you referring to the 'west indies' (vigorous violacea) variety? I am skeptical that they are violacea, but they don't seem to be purpurea or indica either. They set seed like a mofo. The flowers look a lot like purpurea, but the leaves are more like violacea. A bioassay was done on several hundred seeds with no effect. Someone said that they are effective if green when eaten. These ones, while fresh, were dry. The thread about that is around here somewhere, but only got a couple of replies so probably isn't worth dredging up. If these can be effective, they would be a good source because of the quantity of seeds they produce. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kindness Posted April 15, 2008 (edited) Yep thats the one I was talking about. Leaves like I.Violacea, (tho not entirely) and flowers like I.Purpurea. I'd be interested to know what it actually is! edit: der... so they are the 'west indies' variety. Righto. Edited April 15, 2008 by meanies Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t st tantra Posted April 16, 2008 the 'west indies','vigourous violacea' form is originally from a labeled plant in a bot gdn. no q about its activity in my opinion! t s t . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kindness Posted May 16, 2008 Hey peaceful... did you ever work out what type of MG the vines were? Interested because you said they were such a deep blue colour whereas the weedy ones are generally a deep purplish? yew Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mutant Posted May 16, 2008 Sorry if this sounds dumb, isn't 'heavenly blue' variety I.tricolor?? It's a violacea ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ballzac Posted May 16, 2008 I thought they were violacea going by the blue flowers, but i'm only guessing.I agree that they never seem to have seed pods on them, but i've been told that that's because it's too cold for them in Melbourne. I have never seen anything with a 'heavenly blue' colour along the Melbourne train lines, and I travel them quite a bit. I suspect that wishful thinking caused you to see the purple as more of a blue. It is definately not too cold for violacea to set seed in melbourne because I have had them do so myself. It may be the reason the purpurea don't set seed though. the 'west indies','vigourous violacea' form is originally from a labeled plant in a bot gdn.no q about its activity in my opinion! Are you able to give any details about the activity of this plant? How many seeds? How fresh? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ballzac Posted May 16, 2008 Sorry if this sounds dumb, isn't 'heavenly blue' variety I.tricolor?? It's a violacea ? I've always been told that they are synonymous, but wikipedia claims that 'heavenly blue' is tricolor, and violacea is something else. Will have to look into this further. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t st tantra Posted May 17, 2008 (edited) quick overveiw of the literature...... seed which is full sized but has not gone hard chewed wide variation in dose/often no effect is stated low30to50 lsas are not lsd,much milder...........mixing the 2 was praised by someone t s t . Edited May 17, 2008 by t st tantra Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torsten Posted May 17, 2008 I'll have to do a search on these forums, but we sorted out the naming some years ago. Two names are synonymous and one of them has precedence [going by my naming I think it must be violacea]. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bean me Posted May 17, 2008 hier a list of synonyms from www.exot-nutz-zier.de they used to have thums, but i cant find em anymore pomoea batatas Ipomoea fastigiata, Ipomoea tiliacea, Convolvulus tiliaceus Ipomoea brasiliensis Ipomoea pre-caprae Ipomoea cairica Ipomoea palmata, Ipomoea cavanillesii Ipomoea carnea ssp. fistulosa Ipomoea crassicaulis, Ipomoea fistulosa, Ipomoea fistulosa var. nicaraguensis, Ipomoea fruticosa u.a. Ipomoea coccinea Quamoclit coccinea Ipomoea hederacea Pharbitis hederacea Ipomoea hederifolia Quamoclit hederifolia Ipomoea holubii Turbina holubii Ipomoea lobata Mina lobata, Quamoclit lobata Ipomoea palmata Ipomoea cairica Ipomoea purga Ipomoea jalapa Ipomoea quamoclit Quamoclit pennata, Ipomoea pennata and here the tricolor link : http://www.exot-nutz-zier.de/ProductDetail...etailsTemplate= hope it works ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torsten Posted May 17, 2008 Pity no one looked up the original thread: a quote from Schultes: *Taxonomically, the genus Ipomoea is extremely difficult. The binomial Ipomoea tricolor has already crept into the limited literature that has grown up in connection with this second kind of ololiuqui. Inasmuch as some confusion may result in the use of two names--ipomoea tricolor and I. violacea- we should point out that, after a study of plant material and the taxonomic history of these binomials, I am in agreement with the American specialist in the Convolvulaceae, H. D. House (House, H. D.: The North American species of the genus Ipomoea in Ann. N.Y. Acad. Sci. 18 C19083 259), that both names actually refer to one polymorphic species. In this case, then, the older name is Ipomoea Violacea L. Sp. P1. (1753) 161, which should be used in preference to its synonym I. tricolor Cav. Ic. P1. Rar. 3 (1794) 5, t. 208. http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/inde...ic=9096&hl= Please, when discussing botanical concepts it is best to refrain from using horticultural sites as an authority [or even guide] on taxonomy. When discussing taxonomy one should refer to taxonomical sites and specialists. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yawning Man Posted May 17, 2008 Hey peaceful... did you ever work out what type of MG the vines were? Interested because you said they were such a deep blue colour whereas the weedy ones are generally a deep purplish?yew Hey dude I actually had a really good look the other day and realised that are deffinately not I.violacea. Most likely purpurea as the flowers were a rich purple colour. Still really pretty flowers, the colour stands out against the vines. I think it might be like ballzac said about it being wishful thinking that made me see blue instead of purple lol. cheers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
