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Hi Guys,

I am putting together a website about Lophophora now and i´ve already started. Everything is still very small but I´ve added a description for Lophophora Williamsii in German and in English on lophophora.de and would like to add descriptions of every single variety, including pics too. Both English and German. So yeah, if anyone of you has some pics that I can post, please let me know. Wont add any names if not requested so no reason to be concerned about Privacy. Well yeah, that´s basically it. Want to make this a pretty good website and would love to get some pics of the rarer varieties. I do have a couple of pics from my own plants but nothing compared to the large amount of pics I have from trichocereus. Thanks. bye Eg

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Hi, i like this pic. Its my oldes one. I think williamsii.

Next month i can make some new pics in my green house. I have some varieties but the most are less then 4 years old.

Regards from hh.

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Please use any of my loph pics by all means EG and i really look forward to seeing the site looking as cool beans in awesomesauce as the tricho one :]

no probs being named horsey lol and theyre very legal where i am

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Thanks a lot Guys, appreciate your Help! In particular, I am looking for pics of rare varities, like La Perdida, Köhresrii, Texana, Fricii, caespitosa, pentagona, zieglerii, pluricostata and so on. Thanks again, the site is progressing every day and I want it to be a complete source of information in English and German. by EG

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Are you specifically looking for own-roots plants or would you also want grafted plant photos?

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There is huge confusion by growers of the taxonomy in this genus.

First of all, by way of example, can I say we are ALL Homo sapiens. And yet we all look different - indeed, that is how we recognise each other - there is massive variation in our species, but we don´t create a different species for people with red hair, or with big ears.

And yet this is precisely what is happening with the genus Lophophora - nurseries and dealers offer a plethora of species, and growers go along with it, referring to a load of species that do not exist.

In fact the International Cactaceae Systematics Group, who officially decide on these things, only recognise two true species - L. diffusa and L. williamsii.

There is one other taxa (variety) of L. diffusa recognised - koehresii

and five other taxa of L. williamsii recognised - fricii, jourdaniana, cristata, variegata, caespitosa

Anything else you may see is just a natural variation of these recognised forms. But of course growers will be more than happy to invent a label and sell that plant to you !! Caveat emptor !!

Interestingly, it is only in the psycho active genuses that this confusion abounds - it doesn´t happen in say, Pelecyphora, where there will be just as much natural variation. A bit like - how many words do you know for your elbow? Just the one !! But how many words do you know for your naughty bits !!!!???

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According to kaktusy, L. koehresii L. fricii and L. diffusa are all in the Diffusae complex, while L. williamsii is by itself in its own complex.

How about lophophora alberto-vojtechii? Is it a made up name by growers or seeds sellers?

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I was just getting taxa data from the ICSG´s own web info - perhaps it is due to be - or maybe should be updated. Just shows how much confusion there is.

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There is a guy called Sahand on the peyote appreciation FB group who is constantly showing photos of some of the best looking wild collected and old growth loph I've ever seen. Ask him he is very friendly and his plants are truly astounding.

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According to kaktusy, L. koehresii L. fricii and L. diffusa are all in the Diffusae complex, while L. williamsii is by itself in its own complex.

How about lophophora alberto-vojtechii? Is it a made up name by growers or seeds sellers?

In the first group. http://www.cactusconservation.org/CCI/library/2009_Snicer_TheLittlestLophophora.pdf

and a distribution map here: http://www.lophophora.info/Stalking%20the%20wild%20Lophophora_english-part%203.pdf

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There is one other taxa (variety) of L. diffusa recognised - koehresii

and five other taxa of L. williamsii recognised - fricii, jourdaniana, cristata, variegata, caespitosa

If koehresii is a Difusa & variegata is a variety of williamsii, what is a variegated koehresii?

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Spanishfly, on 13 Oct 2015 - 06:54 AM, said:

There is one other taxa (variety) of L. diffusa recognised - koehresii

and five other taxa of L. williamsii recognised - fricii, jourdaniana, cristata, variegata, caespitosa

zelly said:

If koehresii is a Difusa & variegata is a variety of williamsii, what is a variegated koehresii?

which brings us to another pertinent question:

Are the plants below LW caespitosa or are they LW variegata??

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nice plants zelly, as usual :) but isnt caespitosa simply a term used to identifiy a form of growth, not strictly a variety? I know there is a variety that is caespitose, but otherwise normal varieties/species can cerftainly grow caespitose. Maybe its the beer talking, but many grafted "normal" plants will grow in this fashion, no? Seems a little bit like calling me a race of brown when i get a suntan, then back to caucasian when i stay indoors for a month. For me a variety needs to be genetic and reproducible in different environmental circumstances. Just saying, might be outa my ass though.

Philocacti, in my opinion, there are 4 true species and 5 i like to recognize: L. diffusa, fricii, koehresii and williamsii. From growing and breeding, i personally want to call jourdaniana a distinct species but i know there are rules to follow and they arent found in the wild last time i checked so we cant really say that but i feel it is different from other lophs on the species level. I totally agree with the kaktusy publication that diffusa/fricii/koehresii are more closely related to each other than to williamsii. and i also feel fricii and koehresii are perhaps the closest of all the lophs.

i may be reading it wrong, but why would "variegated"loph = williamsii? i have bred variegated hybrids of other lophs that didnt include williamsii, as well as soem that didnt incldue eitehr willy or diffusa. i veiw variegated as a retardation and can be present in any species.

I dont really subscribe to the "varieties" like pentagona as tehy are seemingly more jsut random froms that take place. i see platns with the 6 rib formation with other offsets being regualy 5/8 formation. If ti can be reproduced consistantly, then i think its worth looking into, otherwise its just natural variation, not variety.

EG i have lots of pictures of cultivated plants, if you need any send me a message. most of my pics are of the 5, or are organised as teh 5, i mentioned above.

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a bigger diffusa, flower is sometimes a bit pinkish, like now, but not always 

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On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Evil Genius said:

would love to get some pics of the rarer varieties

which variety has a reddish colored style on the pistil? :)

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pink difusa's

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white flowered difusa's: this one is in a 20 cm pot

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this one is in a 15cm pot

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