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How to recognize Trichocereus Terscheckii & Pasacana

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I wonder what would be the main characteristics of these fatty trichs, as well as other similar trichs of the fatty 'family'...

They grow more slowly than the fast growing trichs, I know that. They have more dense and long spination than pachanoi family. What else?

I am supposedly growing both species, so it should be fun :)

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on species Trichocereus atacamensis pasacana:

Plants for sale are still most often described as pasacana, but T.atacamensis was described first (from Chile), and so at subspecies level the name pasacana, applying to plants from Argentina and Bolivia, must subordinate to the older name

distribution: northern Argentina, southern Bolivia, Chile

note: no mention on terscheckii on this entry. Could the chilean subspecies be slower in growth than the Argentinian / Bolivian cousins?

on species T. terscheckii:

distribution: northern Argentina

note: it is stated its the tallest cactus of the region, and the given width is wider than pasacana, so it is implied terscheckii is larger growing than pasacana. The slow growth is also mentioned in both terscheckii and pasacanas, but the two species are never directly compared in any way.

on species T.tacaquirensis:

In cultivation growth is rapid

note: also mentioning taquimbalensis, the other form as subspecies, which as a name subordinates to tacaquirensis. The author mentions that the form from the one type to another changers gradually in the course of a days travel. Next one fro Bolivia??

"500 cacti", Preston 2007

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"See my comments about Preston..."

Your ignorance of my actual words is astounding.

~Michael~

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Oh, sorry, I thought you were dismissing it...

I still haven't understand if you have read it, but you're off-topic for sure...

why not making a thread on the "mysterius" Preston who hires cacti experts to write cacti books for him and then signs them himslef (preston)... ??

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6~7 y.o. from seed tescheckii adding ribs after being transplanted

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Hello everybody,

I just wanted your help to recognize the following:

The first one is a Trichocereus Wendermanianus I got from Hungary.

But for the rest I have no clue (maybe a pasacana)

Front

Top

Do you know what is the problem with the

Wendermannianaus?

Thank you!

Regards

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Ok, first Pic. The Two Ones on the left could be candicans but Pasacana would also be thinkable as they look very similar at that Age. The Werdermannianus in the front is Taquimbalensis and the One on the right is probably the same as the other Two on the left. Need better pics to say for sure.

The sick one looks like it has a fungal infection. Needs EXTENSIVE Fungicide Treatment and maybe cutting. Don´t think you can save it without treatment.

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But would rather lean towards candicans because the epidermis doesn´t really look typical for Pasacana.

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agree, 3 that look lot like tacaquirensis / taquimbalensis seedlings and one that is too small to tell . there mid one also be terscheckii or pasacana, but its too early to tell.

all for the infected "werd" I would say it you keep it dry and take care not to spill water on the mark it should be alright especially if your area is as dry is mine right now

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Thanks everyone.

These were also my thoughts. From left to right: Candicans, Pasacana, and Taquimbalensis.

Regarding the infections I will try to keep it dry. The place here is too dry also.

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pasacana VS terscheckii

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sum Werder labeled seeds produced these

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some runts....

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the ones I repotted have stalled or grown little over several months while the ones

I didn't repot are doing great! im being patient tho ... I guess they are root mining

first when they wake up or something

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And here is how they look grafted... they took many months to pump even on pereskies

a couple of them pumped early but then stalled for many months and grew when they wanted

I do think I remember now the first one took off within 6 or 7 months and the next in line was 11

months... at least one just started pumping in the month but i need to check the born date.

the two on the right are the same, the top one early in the year before starting to grow.

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I have a couple smaller ones but its hard to get to right now, but i'll post sometime

some look really crazy when they are pumping.. heres some pics of some of the previous

grafts earlier this year when they were pumping... actually one of them is still small

but the others are the same as the bigger plants above

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this one got smushed by a camera lens... several months of patience wiped way by a single moment

of impatience.... lesson learned... and RIP little guy

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And then there are these which came labeled Macrogonus from Ibloc

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labeled Macrogonus from WSS

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front row is WSS and behind them a few of the same clone + 1 different from Ibloc seed

they look more similar in this pic but I think the Ibloc ones are different at least much different parents... but perhaps

the same type I dunno

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is there a way to remove "attached thumbnail"? I already have the pic in the body of the message

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Trichocereus werdermannianus 'KK 917'

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Werdermannianus from Adelaide botanic garden. Great looking plants.

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^^^

agreed

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A friend of mine owns this plant which he describes as a Trichocereus Werdermannianus. Are you guys in agreement?

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Hi Terraforma, that´s a Trichocereus Taquimbalensis! I guess Backeberg liked calling them Werdermannianus! :)

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Does anyone have a picture of what a 'true' werdermannianus is supposed to look like, or is it simply a synonym for either tersheckii or taquimbalensis, depending on the author?

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Hi Tangich, there is not really a true Werdermannianus. The Plant was "discovered" by Backeberg, who was a smart business Man but not really a botanical Genius, though some of his Discoveries are really remarkable. He wrote a six Volume Book called Cactaceae, which was a state of the Art Book back then. But it was full of Errors and used a taxonomic System that was simply bs.

There are pics that show "his" werdermannianus but most simply look like a Terscheckii. But they could also be a very large Taquimbalensis and Judging by the large Number of Taquimbalensis´ that we see labeled as Werdermannianus, i guess that´s actually the Plant he meant.

If it isn´t, it was simply a Plant from the Complex around Terscheckii and Pasacana.

I will post his Pics later today or tomorrow.

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sum weerdness brought to you by werderbalensis
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9 days later
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update on the others
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the unknown ones seem to have gotten a bit more curvy spined in some cases
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here's a real/true werdermannianus

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and I found this beauy terscheck hunting images

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and that one ..

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EG this should be renamed and sticky abouthe fatties, please

a pasacana with lots ribs

my biggest one

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