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Creationist Ken Ham, who recently debated Bill Nye the Science Guy over the origins of the universe, is calling for an end to the search for extraterrestrial life because aliens probably don't exist -- and if they do, they're going to Hell anyway.

"You see, the Bible makes it clear that Adam’s sin affected the whole universe," Ham wrote on his blog on Sunday. "This means that any aliens would also be affected by Adam’s sin, but because they are not Adam’s descendants, they can’t have salvation."

The post was driven in part by NASA experts saying that they expect to find evidence of alien life within the next 20 years.

"It's highly improbable in the limitless vastness of the universe that we humans stand alone," NASA administrator Charles Bolden said last week.

But Ham, president and CEO of Answers in Genesis and the Creation Museum in Petersburg, Ky., said we probably are alone. He wrote "earth was specially created," and the entire hunt for extraterrestrials is "really driven by man’s rebellion against God in a desperate attempt to supposedly prove evolution!"

If aliens do exist, however, Ham said even Jesus can't save them:

Jesus did not become the “GodKlingon” or the “GodMartian”! Only descendants of Adam can be saved. God’s Son remains the “Godman” as our Savior. In fact, the Bible makes it clear that we see the Father through the Son (and we see the Son through His Word). To suggest that aliens could respond to the gospel is just totally wrong.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/22/ken-ham-aliens-go-to-hell_n_5608368.html

you can always count on creationists for a good laugh

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yep hilarious stuff :P

edited * creation museum sounds like wholesome fun!

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Well, here we go. I didn't want to start this earlier because I might get crucified. The US Gov. has been secretly dealing with aliens since at least 1955. They trade the lives of their citisens for alien tchnology. Aliens have given them fibre optics, carbon fibre and helped them build the stealth fighters and stealth bombers under the Mohave Desert. They have helped them build an anti-gravity machine. Aliens are using this planet as a genetic laboratory. I don't know exactly what they doing but have read that their own star is dying. They mostly come at night and teleport victims out of their homes.

Aliens gave us our 4 great religions to 1) retard human science.

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^.^

proof?

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people are generally pretty friendly here kent, they probably won't crucify you, just laugh at you

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Aliens gave us our 4 great religions to 1) retard human science.

why would they give humans religion to retard science but then give humans carbon fibre and fibre optics?

how do you explain the enlightenment?

you know, just because you don't personally understand something doesn't mean it was invented by "aliens"

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and if you knew anything about the history of religion, then you would see that all the "major" religions evolved from earlier religions,

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proof bot6?

I don't know exactly what they doing but have read...

was read on the internet of course, i don't know about you but thats all the proof i need..

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"just google it if you don't believe me"

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Everything's going wrong tonight. I can't finish my first post - every time I try to finish it it won't edit. I can't post links. Have a look at sites titled Christian Art, UFO Pictures, Aliens, Jesus Christ, and Ascenscion'; 'Vatican Alien Skulls'; 'Aliens Are Real'- an official Vatican site; 'UFO Attacked Above Earth'on YouTube'; Óperation Majority' by Milton w.. Cooper; 'The Man Who Killed Two Alien Greys' on YouTube by US engineer and murdered whistleblower Phil Schneider. I can show you a lot and answer a lot of questions but if there's any aggro I will stop. Now I can't even see my first post to edit it. Kent.

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'Operation Majority' should read 'William' Not Milton. Every time I try to edit posts they disappear.

Kent.

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I found the attack video but it won't paste.

http://www.the ufochronicles.com/2013/06/ufo-video-from-space-shuttle-discussed.html

Kent.

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when discussions like these come up, it's good to remember that you can't dictate what others think, you can't even assume they will hear you out fairly and openly. remember that nobody has a monopoly on truth and that's an understatement for the ages).

noobs are offenders because they might be accustomed to talking to dummies and forget their audience could be discerning and intelligent.

veterans are offenders because they pounce on uppity noobs. too quick to tear assholes anew.

especially with any manner of conspiracy right or wrong, there is noise from crazies, potentially actual real government/whoever disinfo campaigns and coverups and due to the nature of the beast what evidence does exist won't be corroborated by experts who need to preserve their professional reputation. there is motivation for people to contribute very slick fiction to garner attention and money. there are gullible observers. there are sensible conjectures which seem to line up but may not be true. there are truth seekers in all flavours who begin to feel superior because they know (or think they know) more than others and their interactions may become ego-based (who is right, rather than what is right).

just keep it cool :D conjecture doesn't offend me. certainty offends me. last but not least, the mods won't allow excessive conspiracy diarrhea to destroy our excellent community. since people have trouble entertaining ideas without becoming attached and entangled, and this particular ideas arena is so disparate and impassioned, then i've come to heartily endorse the position taken by admin/mods.

personally, i think that an intelligent force not born of the earth has visited it, but what do i really know? maybe i'm just a dream, then everything real WOULD BE A COMPLETE OUTSIDER to my insular imaginary homeworld.

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One of my thoughts as to why humans came up with religion not aliens is many seem to have a need for it. By performing rituals or having a belief seems to be a way of having some control over things we cannot whether it be ensuring safety of loved ones or reinforcing that what they are doing with life is what is wanted of them. Obviously there are many other reasons religion has been used like fundamentalism, control, wealth, morals etc.

The theory of technology from aliens is interesting however humans are quite inventive. I do research on many thing that interest me and am often surprised to find theories or discoveries on a particular subject (that I think are new and advanced) have often dated back many hundreds of years. I believe Carbon fiber has origins back in the 1860's before it has advanced to the material we use today. Often the technology is already there but small advancements in production or other areas make it become mainstream.

When it comes to aliens/religion no one really knows and all we can do is enjoy theorizing. I am fully aware my own beliefs are just as likely to be as faulty as anyone else's. That's a problem with some really religious people is they talk about these things as fact! They can't see that in a conversation about such things it is more probable we are both wrong rather than one being right.

It's kind of strange in one breath I can say we are inventive and intelligent and in another say we don't really know anything but that's the way I feel.

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it's not so much we don't know anything, but that we don't know everything

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I meant in comparison to what we don't know, we know nothing (maybe!)

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does a grain of sand on a beach have any idea of the ocean?

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What if the extraterrestrials have the one true religion, and those of Earth are all shown to be false?

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'Operation Majority' should read 'William' Not Milton. Every time I try to edit posts they disappear.

Kent.

This used to happen to me, until I changed web browsers. If using Internet Explorer, try Chrome, Firefox, or Opera http://www.download.cnet.com

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Humans came up with religion partly as a way to explain the universe, it also seems to function as a way to control the group, I suggest that this is a little unrelated because there are many ways humans seem to attempt to control each other. We now are becoming aware that things are not as they seem, science is a very good way to explore the universe and ourselves when used correctly. Religion is really quite out-dated but that hasn't sunk in to all groups, science requires good education and a reasonable amount of intelligence, not yet seen in all parts of the world, sadly.

Unfortunately, science has the ability to help us navigate times of crisis yet the people who are unable to understand it are often in positions of power, which in itself often promotes the use of unthinking belief to help consolidate the power structure.

Our species isn't developed enough to utilise science all that well, we frequently become enamoured with technology which can be proved to be inimical to our environment, and continue to use it as it appears more interesting or useful.

I feel sorry for our coming generations, the best we can do for them is to educate them and try and remove the power structures that fight against knowledge and reason. It isn't much, I hope it's enough, and I hope they forgive us for being such dumb fucks.

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What if the extraterrestrials have the one true religion, and those of Earth are all shown to be false?

nuh uh. according to the bible, only the bible is true. the bible is the word of god, it says so in the bible.

there's nothing to argue. next time check your facts.

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but seriously there is no true religion and no false religion, none of them are even approximations, they're a set of directions and only you can find some of the stuff they lead to. when you do you won't be able to replicate it or even approximate it, all you'll be able to do is share a rough idea of how you got there and what your impressions were.

sure religion has been used to control, and to explain the unknown, but i think it has a lot to do with people trying to share something profound. how to be a human! how to find happiness in a world that can't provide it, how to tune in to the right frequency man :P the way i see it, religion is a tool for consciousness, although it tends to incorporate much of the culture that spawned it.

i remember reading something about certain characteristics that religions can have actually helped religious groups of ancient people to survive.

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I have to get another computer - this one is ruining my life. The boys at Harvey Norman told me that windows updates are choking it up. I can't post links for a while. Everyone's been good, so thanks. I am not a Biblicist and not concerned with details but I understand the basic picture. bot6 said I haven't done the research so I will let him tell us who wrote the Koran and how, over a period of 23 years, Mohammed received the Koran, for what purpose, from whom, and why a worthless piece of desert is The Islamic Holy Land.

The fossil evidence shows that modern humans appeared 25 - 30 thousand years ago. In one of the William Cooper sites, he says that aliens wrote a book for the US Gov. called the Yellow Book in which they say that they created us by hybridisation 25 thousand years ago. That's why we have so many races, but I don't know about the subraces. Scientists believe that evolution can be a lot faster than millions of years, and new species could be created in thousands of years. There are so many races on this planet and that is the reason we have about 47 wars going on each day. Aliens engineered all the killing in the Middle East, I worked out basically how they did it and I would like to explain it to you in the future. Aliens are responsible for basically all of human suffering - war, famine, disease, murder, rape, torture and slavery. Demographers have estimated that without war the planet's populaton would be about 10 billion. The New World Order is planing to kill

%83 to %85 of the population to stop environmental destruction and I will give you the link evidence later. The Queen has often and openly said that she want's to kill 6 billion people.

Before the Internet, I read magazine articles which claimed that in 1954, President Eisenhower's plane, Air Force One, taxied to a remote part of Edwards Air Base and stopped. A flying saucer landed nearby and he went aboard and spoke to 2 human-like aliens. Another saucer hovered nearby. These people call themselves the Plaiedeans, and are a very peaceful and gentle race. They offered him the means for "peace and enlightenment on this planet" provided that he gave up nuclear weapons , but he refused. Do searches on 'Eisenhower's Meeting With Aliens' and 'The Alien At The Whitehouse'. A few years ago one stayed at the White House for 3 months. They are trying to stop the global holocaust, want to help us and get rid of the aliens who prey on us.

My posts get posted before I finish them, then I have to edit. Harvey Norman told me to use Firefox. .Once again, thanks for the decency. I will explain to you how aliens created America and how they orchestrated the history of the Jews who control most of America's wealth, but in a non-racist manner. Have a look at a site titled 'The Miracle Of the Jews'.

Kent.

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not taking the piss but this reminds me of that south park episode where they discover earth is a reality show watched by aliens. All the different species of humans and animals have been put on the one planet Earth because aliens think it makes great tv!

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The whole Religion/Aliens debate will always be, to me: PROOF.

There hasn't been ANY proof with any of these. All God/Aliens have to do is show themselves and then I'll believe.

The problem with Christianity (and any other religion) is that it has been written by bronze age people who didn't know the earth was flat, why it rained, what disease was, and pretty much knew far less than an average 8 year old today. Take this, and relying on people with 'sound mind' to 'accurately' put into writing, 'unbiasedly'. These documents have been countlessly translated, re-translated, translated again, certain parts omitted/added in for different versions dependent on the whims of hierarchical powers at the time.

At BEST the Bible is completely inaccurate.

The whole Aliens thing, from my observations, is that it attracts people whom.. How can I delicately put it.. Seem to have some kind of personality disorder like Schizophrenia.

To me the most 'out there' claim to make, if I had to, would be that we are part of an extremely advanced simulation.

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