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Supposed "Trichocereus validus" seedling confussion.

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So I have this little seedling that was started from Sacred Succulent's "Trichocereus validus" seeds. Only one survived and I grafted it., It was growing so damn slow for the longest time and not in a columnar fashion. I got to thinking the other day, "Hey, this looks like a globular echinopsis to me."

What do you guys think? This seedling was started back in november 2013 and grafted in december 2013.

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this is the one labelled "validus?", it's quite a bit spinier than those shown previously

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MS Smith, cheers, mystery solved for me, fuck I love it when I am right...

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Apparently T. terscheckii do grow in the far south of Bolivia, but not as common or widespread as in Argentina.

Here's the one I want...

http://www.succseed.com/seeds-cacti/trichocereus/trichocereus-terscheckii-mn-0531-e-palos-blancos-909-tarija-boli.html

I like how it says "interesting form with almost spineless ribs, far different from the forms of Argentina!"

Could this be the renowed T. validus?

Here's a few more of the same sort from the same region around Tupiza...

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~Michael~

have you got it yet? I have some I sowed in about april :)

mats says they get spineless when they are larger and indeed mine are starting to make tiny spines already

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...some 640 km south.

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~Michael~

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This has turned into another validus speculation thread rather than an identification thread. Lol. I guess it's inevitable when you bring up T. validus.

I think those spineless terscheckii look a bit off for validus, but it's probably the closest in the wild you will get.

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...some 640 km south.

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~Michael~

Hi Michael, this is what some collectors called Echinopsis Robinsoniana or Echinopsis Forbesii. Most likely a spineless Terscheckii Variety.

The Plant shown in Post 26 is an almost identical Plant to what grows here in the Valida Thread. Spination is a bit different but that is totally normal and lies within the range of a species.

http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=30197&hl=valida#

Just compare the Shots of the whole Plants.

To me, it´s beyond of a doubt that validus is in fact just a Terscheckii Variety. From what location, i don´t really care about. I mean, it´s really obvious. Maybe the spination is a little bit different but everyone who´s been growing cacti for a while knows that this doesn´t mean anything.

Backeberg mentioned that Validus comes probably from Tarija in Bolivia. That´s the Seed type that michael added a link of btw! ;)

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Hostilis > noone could really identify this seedling!

hey the spination seems to be a bit off from the "true validus" , yes....

but think of that. The 'true validus" might just be one form occuring in Oz... the true validus might be one single clone of a cactus which varies in its location.... This location seems quite possibly a location where a cactus like validus could occur... Maybe the oz validus came from such seed or a single plant (cutting).

Maybe there's more to it, as there could be also spineless forms of tac/taq in the area, if they too crossed with scop. They would go real faster though, so they couldn't be mistaken for terscheckiis in terms of growth speed by an experienced terscheckii grower.

Also scop is known to make the ribs rounder and more scopey (in any crosses it feats that is)

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How are your ss validus grafts looking now hostilis? Id love to see an updated pic if you still have them?

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Pretty sure I can identify Disco Stu´s seedling. B) It´s a Taquimbalensis. The One from Hostilis is something else. Would love to see a new pic as well.

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anxious to see...always look fwd to seeing the 'hostalidus' :innocent_n: progress :wub: was very nice looking last time

and on a side note ...all the validus learning i did this year makes me understand a bit more why

helianthocereus seems to have been used for validus in the past.

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Your wish is granted!

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It grows super slow. Could also be slow due to the fossilized stock that it's on, but I don't care. It's going slowly but surely.

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Ok, I think I know what it is. This might be Trichocereus/Echinopsis Litorialis. Either that or it´s Trichocereus Schickendantzii. What was the collection Number again? I ask because we can probably trace down where it came from. Litoralis is from chile and schickendantzii from Northern Argentinia.

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I never got any collection number with the seeds. It was just labelled "Trichocereus validus" And thanks for the ID!!

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fahk me thats huuuuge compared to the last pic i saw .... and you call that slow growing?

sheeet i cant wait to graft well n have things grow like that muu'hukka!

nice one H! gorgeous plant and i think I can see why someones called it validus already

it has that ......umm if only i had the words to describe

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Thanks hostilis, nice looking plant! Will be interesting to see if it gets really fat or if its just one of the clumping varieties?

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Yep seems pretty cool looking, look forward to see it progress

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