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A few new trichs to id

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Hello everyone

I would be interested to know what you knowledgeable folks can tell me about these fine specimens:

Plant number 1:

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Plant number 2:

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Plant number 3:

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Plant(s) number 4:

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Plant(s) number 5:

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Plant number 6:

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The first one is probably a shorter spined variety of Trichocereus Knuthianus. Very similar to Tr. Pachanoi but the ribs look very much like Knuthianus/Tarmaensis. Second one is what was sold as "Trichocereus Macrogonus" or "Trichocereus Glaucus" from Köhres. Third is an interesting Pachanoi. Fourth is too small to tell but reminds me of Plant number 2. Same as Plant no. 5 & 6. Let them get large enough so it´s possible to compare them but you have some really cool types there. The ones I called Macro/Glaucus are actually Trichocereus Peruvianus now and that´s the label I´d use on 2,4,5,6.

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Never seen a Knuthianus with spines like that.

I wonder if it could be a Knuthianus x ?

Getafix

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Not sure what to think of that first one. Mutt? And EG's spot on with the other IDs as a bunch T. peruvianus and a what looks like a T. pachanoi. Such pretty plants.

~Michael~

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Those knuthianus can sometimes have a lot more spines on new growth & ted to fairly quickly drop them until you end up with the typical two white spines.. could explain #1 but i agree it looks different somehow.

makes me think, Anyone been breeding the aussie knuthianus clone? could make for some real pretty plants, i don't think ive seen it before.

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Plant number 1 was described to me by the seller as being a "short-spined peruvianus". He's an older chap and claims to have personally imported all his plants from South America to Europe in the 60s. So no idea if it's a cross or not. Maybe he crossed some of his own plants by mistake and thinks it's what he says it is. ;)

Anyway, it's a bit of a strange one compared to other trichs I have. Very sensitive to the sun (I burnt it once quite badly by leaving it in a greenhouse where other trichs were fine) and growns in weird spurts. Sometimes thick and sometimes thin and always uneven, you can't really see it in the photos above but it is a little "twisted".

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Hey Neomad, the spines are not as important because those plants grow in a very large area and around Ayacucho with many local forms and there probably even are Pachanois with a Knuthianus like look. Ritter mentioned that some of them were similar to Pachanoi and added a Key on how to keep them apart. There are some with longer spines and some with shorter. Spine lenght and look is generally not a good help for cactus classification. There really is no other Trichocereus species that has those strong and edgy ribs/areoles apart from Trichocereus Tarmaensis, which probably belongs in the same group of plants. I mean, there´s a saying that fools are always pretty certain and without doubt so take all I am saying with a grain of salt. :) And I agree it looks more like a Pachanoid Version and is absolutely not the same as the standard Knuthianus but it has thois sharp & edgy Knuthianus-type rib structure. Of course it´s not as dominant on your plant as on the Knuthianus shown below but it´s there. It´s not a typical rib structure for a standard Pachanoi.

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Hey Neomad, the spines are not as important because those plants grow in a very large area and around Ayacucho with many local forms and there probably even are Pachanois with a Knuthianus like look. Ritter mentioned that some of them were similar to Pachanoi and added a Key on how to keep them apart. There are some with longer spines and some with shorter. Spine lenght and look is generally not a good help for cactus classification. There really is no other Trichocereus species that has those strong and edgy ribs/areoles apart from Trichocereus Tarmaensis, which probably belongs in the same group of plants. I mean, there´s a saying that fools are always pretty certain and without doubt so take all I am saying with a grain of salt. :) And I agree it looks more like a Pachanoid Version and is absolutely not the same as the standard Knuthianus but it has thois sharp & edgy Knuthianus-type rib structure. Of course it´s not as dominant on your plant as on the Knuthianus shown below but it´s there. It´s not a typical rib structure for a standard Pachanoi.

Cheers EG! Yeah, who knows? I asked somewhere else and was told pachanoi. But I respect the opinions from here a lot.

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Hi Neomad, it´s 100% sure not a Pachanoi. No matter what it is, Pachanoi can be crossed off the list. ;)

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