Psyentist Posted June 29, 2015 (edited) G'day everyone, Found one of these floating around the sab webstore last week. It hasn't arrived yet so I haven't even seen it but I've tried to look into the plant a little. To no avail. Does anyone else grow this? The only pic I can find is the one on the webstore and even so, it's obviously different from the validus' at fields. It was mentioned that it could be synonymous T. uyupampensis, another plant I can find little to no information about. So if anyone has pics or info other than the collection data, I'd be muchly appreciative. Thanks. Edited June 29, 2015 by Psyentist 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zed240 Posted June 29, 2015 I had been waiting for an email from the SAB store about that plant for ages and as soon as I got the email a couple of days ago that it was in stock someone else had already bought it! It must have been you! I'm off to my corner to sulk now. Just kidding, I'll live. One day all of the trichos will end up in my possession. You've seen this? http://ralph.cs.cf.ac.uk/Cacti/finder.php?Plant=trichocereus+validus And from T-Horse http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=38854&p=469822 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Psyentist Posted June 29, 2015 (edited) Shit. Sorry man! Gotta be quick round those parts. I've seen something I wanted in there and had it go out of stock while I was signing in. But I love your outlook for the future! Mine's somewhat similar. Thanks for the links mate, they seem to talking more about the tersheckii type plant in the thread. Though Solaritea's plants from ss look similar. From what I can tell the KK1418, along with the two from Solaritea, seem to be a variety in the tac/taq family. But that's about as far as I get. Edited June 29, 2015 by Psyentist 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Evil Genius Posted June 29, 2015 (edited) This is either Trichocereus Taquimbalensis or Tacaquirensis. Knize has been selling them under all kinds of names. Trichocereus Werdermannianus, Trichocereus Culpinensis, Trichocereus Validus, etc. Edited June 29, 2015 by Evil Genius 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Psyentist Posted June 29, 2015 (edited) Got pics of any KK1418's E.G.? Edited June 29, 2015 by Psyentist 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Evil Genius Posted June 29, 2015 No, not exactly but I have a pretty good understanding what grows at this site. Those plants will probably end up looking like this. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Psyentist Posted June 29, 2015 Thanks a lot mate! I thought if anyone had pics of obscurer type cacti it would be you. Angry looking thing isn't it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Evil Genius Posted June 29, 2015 Yes, amazing plants. Here is another plant in Potosi and it´s the one that Ben from Sacred Succulents labeled Validus too. So it´s very possible that this is Knize´s plant/population. It´s Trichocereus Tacaquirensis, which is extremely closely related to Tr. Taquimbalensis. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Psyentist Posted June 29, 2015 Thank you sir, you are a gentleman and a scholar. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Psyentist Posted July 1, 2015 (edited) Well, he arrived today. What a fine specimen!... Looks a little different to what I expected (EG's pics), he has smaller areoles and is more slender, but that's probably due to the spines being trimmed. (Edit: on further inspection, I don't think the trimmed spines could account for that much of a difference in areole size. Could be a maturity thing. (Edit edit: actually, the lower areoles look a bit more true to form.)) Can't wait to see what this grows into! Edited July 1, 2015 by Psyentist 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Evil Genius Posted July 1, 2015 Yes, Taquimbalensis with trimmed spines. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mushroomman Posted July 1, 2015 The sab kk validus is way offf being a validus! Looks more along the lines of cuzcoensis. I'll have a search for the pics of it i was sent last year and post them when i get a chance 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Psyentist Posted July 1, 2015 Cool looking plant mushroomman. Those orange spines are awesome! Thanks for sharing the pic. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M S Smith Posted July 2, 2015 (edited) Any truly field collected "T. validus" could be better understood as one of the more commonly recognized named species of southern Bolivia and therefor look like the more recognized species. Many plants called "T. validus" don't match with any known population of plants in southern Bolivia and this alone should give one pause when calling them T. validus. ~Michael~ Edit for "and." Edited July 2, 2015 by M S Smith Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Psyentist Posted July 2, 2015 (edited) Hi Michael My understanding of your (and others) posts, in the validus thread linked at the start of this thread and posts in the tac/taq id thread, is that Backeberg named validus from a private collection and guessed it's origin to be South East Bolivia, and that the plants which grow in that area are of the taquimbalensis/tacaquirensis family. But the plant in his photo seems to be a terscheckii (from northern Argentina I believe) and looks similar to the validus' that grow at fields in Victoria. So going by the old photo, Backenerg misjudged the original location of the plant he labeled T. validus and T. validus is synonymous with T. terscheckii, or maybe a variety of T. terscheckii. Which would mean plants or seeds collected from S.E. Bolivia (the location Backeberg guessed) have nothing to do with T. validus and are really T. taquimbalensis or T. tacaquirensis. But your post above doesn't really fit into my logic. Are you saying the terscheckii type or the taquimbalensis type should be called validus? If you consider it a valid[us] name that is. Edited July 2, 2015 by Psyentist Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zelly Posted July 2, 2015 Many plants called "T. validus" don't match with any known population of plants in southern Bolivia and this alone should give one pause when calling them T. validus. known population of plants, known by whom? how many people inherently 'know' of all known plant populations and can correlate them to various posted pictures? As for 'origins' or original locations, how does anybody know if the Chavin and or Inca's moved plants from their original locations? Any truly field collected "T. validus" could be better understood as one of the more commonly recognized named species of southern Bolivia therefor look like the more recognized species. I'm having trouble with this sentence, is it missing a comma or semi-colon? As it currently reads, it makes no sense Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M S Smith Posted July 2, 2015 (edited) Psyentist, I'm just trying to point out that if someone claims to have T. validus it's going to be something that we know under a different and more commonly used name. I don't doubt T. validus has been applied to both T. terscheckii and T. tacaquirensis. zelly, what grows in Bolivia is well enough known to science. http://www.sil.si.edu/smithsoniancontributions/Botany/pdf_hi/sctb-0070.pdf The Field Number Finder shows three areas of collection of "T. validus," and these areas make a nice little triangle of the region of T. tacaquirensis. Sorry for any confusion. "...and therefore...". Better? ~Michael~ edit for spelling. Edited July 2, 2015 by M S Smith Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Psyentist Posted July 3, 2015 (edited) Thanks for the clarification Michael. Can't fault your reasoning there. Edited July 3, 2015 by Psyentist Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
