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I thought I would start a topic about plant consciousness because I have been being very effected by the plants and cacti in my life.

I awoke at 5:30 this morning with thoughts racing through my mind from another source, a plant source.

Some time ago I was bombarded with a thought of the "san pedro" cactus out of the blue,out of nowhere and became obsessed about them in an instant flash of enlightenment of their potential for my own personal evolution. I henceforth purchased a couple thousand dollars worth of cacti and learned day and night all I could learn about them and proceeded to propagate them as fast as humanly possible.

Even over the first year or so I only got to know them a couple of times because my consciousness was learning and changing in ways it had not done before I had this obsession. All I needed to do was feed and water these plants and take care of them to receive spiritual guidance .

I noticed that even if I wasn't getting to "know" these plants I was able to get rid of old negative behavior patterns leading up to getting to know them.

I read about the subtle energies of plants and didn't quite get it until I experienced this with my own plants.

For instance I have a calea z dream herb plant that's growing in my bedroom and I remember the first day I brought it home all the way from SAB in Byron bay to Melbourne on the plane I had very lucid dreams and ever since then I have been able to remember my dreams almost every night.

Because I had made a pact with this medicine plant to take care of it and nurture it and so it did the same to me. But this I think only happened after I realized the conscious connection I made between me and the cacti. Once I had realized the psychic connection I had with the cacti it built a bridge between me and plant consciousness. My consciousness meets my sub consciousness meets plant consciousness full psychic connection.

I believe that our society would like us to believe we have no such connection to plants or mother earth so that we can suckle from the bloated teet of consumer capitalism more freely with out discern.

If you grow a tomato in your garden with love and that plants grows fully and abundantly it will provide you with fruit that is full and abundant with life and what it fulfills in your physical body it will also fulfill in your spiritual body.

So you get what we've got here in our society which is a bunch of mass profit factory farmed food that has no human spiritual connection and therefor no spiritual or health benefits for humanity. Soulless fruit.

This is where disease comes from in all forms. Our connection has been cut due to greed and wickedness.

Back to subtle energies of plants. A stream or creek is a subtle energy and yet it can mold the landscape and provide life for everything it comes in contact with.

The same goes for the subtle energy of plants.

Ayahuasca has been doing this for a long time,moving from the jungle like a vine out into the world through poor people all the way up to the richest banksters of the world. Trying to save mother earth from our disconnected ignorance.

San pedro has done the same. It is so clever that it can come into your home and invade your mind and make you obsessed with it and force you to buy, learn about and propagate it to your utmost fullest ability. So much so that we even make the best of the best of hybrids,the best looking best growing best everything so we are helping it to EVOLVE in enormous leaps and bounds, surpassing thousands of years of slow evolution.

Very smart and very powerful.

I believe once you realize that the power of plants can enter your consciousness you will recognize your own innate psychic ability or just recognize what that feels like opening you up to your full potential.

Plant consciousness is a great staring point for spiritual awareness.

What are your thought on having plants come into your life and how have they changed you?

Thanks for reading my very long thought.

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if you haven't yet look at the work of Dr Monica Gagliano from uwa, she's done lots of studies showing plant learning,

i think also applying the term "consciousness" to anything is frought due to the fact there isn't really a quantitative measure of "consciousness"

plants react to their surroundings, but does that mean they're self aware of that interaction? impossible to determine

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O trust me me once you feel that plant spirit inside you there is no "study" that can change anything you believe. That is not the topic of discussion,its is how have plants changed your mind or life path my friend.

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I like the concept of a plant/vine, moving from the wild places and integrating itself into our more sterile habitats..............it would be nice to believe that nature was looking out for us and sending plant angels to guide us back to a more harmonise path............

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Hey Lokstok nice link! so cool to read what they went though,Thanks again for that.!

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Well Dreamwalker that is exactly what is happening and the more you wake up to that the more you will connect to them.

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I swear I've developed a deep bond with my plants aswell. Woke up this morning and went outside to check my Caapi and Psychotria Viridis, and to my dismay, their leaves were drooping for the first time since I've been looking after them (few months).

I checked their soil only to find it was still moist so I just couldn't figure out what was wrong with them. I hesitated on watering them as I didn't want them waterlogged in this cold weather so I went back inside to finish having breakfast.

When I came back outside to check up on them a mere 10 minutes later, their leaves had all perked up again as if they had 'woken up'. I was a little shocked at such a dramatic and coincidental change.

But yeah man, definitely feel what you're saying about the soul-less food we eat these days. I mean, all the nutrients are there, but there just seems to be something missing. I talk alot to people who will never understand me about the importance of working with nature to cater for our needs (a symbiotic relationship) where our love and effort into looking after them is transformed into the food we eventually eat - it just sounds like good food to me :) you're basically eating love. This is especially true when you are growing your own entheogens.

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I haven't read through this thread but I can see that nobody has posted this video that I've been waiting to share. Enjoy

 

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The problem as I feel it

Messianics tend to create deserts

Shoving plants into their faces -

Prostrating flagellants,

Searching the stars to get back

To the Garden

Panic contrived by a scribe a long time ago.

It is interesting to contrast - to the dismay of Unitarianists - the difference in two plant conceptions:

In the Western worldview, among other skygod worldviews, the plant does something for the consumer: it fixes; feeds the fantasy; is 'transformative' for what it perceives to be its own sick society; an escape from the inevitably boring, abusive reality.

In some Other worldviews the human perception is seen as limiting by its cultural and primate lens; the consumption of the plant is perceived as a way to understand the real.

Whether or not a plant can through the individual human perception transcend its host's cultural story - or not - seems to me of paramount importance in our current stage of shared information.

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This is a little off topic but.... I was thinking about plant conciseness the other day when i got some of those sticky seeds stuck to me. Why would a plant evolve like this if it wasn't awar of it's surroundings. The plant would literally have to be aware of not only it's surroundings but of the fact there is animals that can move from one place to another for there to be any use in evolving sticky seed.

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This is a little off topic but.... I was thinking about plant conciseness the other day when i got some of those sticky seeds stuck to me. Why would a plant evolve like this if it wasn't awar of it's surroundings. The plant would literally have to be aware of not only it's surroundings but of the fact there is animals that can move from one place to another for there to be any use in evolving sticky seed.

I'm not sure...............How often do we do things because we seek the outcome/product, but haven't a clue why or how...only that if we do a process we get a desired result..............did the Vikings know when they discovered America, that the earth was round, or did the just sail east, following fish or sea birds or hope.........?

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morphic-resonance is an interesting theory but has little supporting evidence. the more likely explanation for "sticky seed" is natural selection (over timeframes which individual humans are unaccustomed to).

if one could simply change ones genome by thinking about it then why didn't humans simply evolve wings instead of having to invent machines which could fly?

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if one could simply change ones genome by thinking about it then why didn't humans simply evolve wings instead of having to invent machines which could fly?

pfft, because god didn't want them to everyone knows that :slap:

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Here is some food for thought.. In every 2.47 acres of Amazonia, there are 1500 plant species, 750 tree species, and 900 tons of living plants. According to Rain Tree, 438,000 species of plants have been registered as having economic or social interest - but there must be millions upon millions of species at the hands of the local indigenous people.

The ingredients for aya as we all know contain both an Maoi and the relevant tryptamines. Lets use for example viridis and caapi ( ignoring the various admixtures and different brews )

I wonder how the shamans discovered this combination ? It seems to my mind ( mathematically incompetent as it is ) that the odds of stumbling across the combo is millions upon millions to one ( is that right ?? I dunno - im shit at math )

I have heard though, that it was the spirit of the plants that bestowed this information to the indigenous shamans and to me it seems way more plausible than a potluck type scenario.

( nice link GHBeer - that is from the bbc doco "plants sex and drugs" right ? Very cool doco ! )

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Here is some food for thought.. In every 2.47 acres of Amazonia, there are 1500 plant species, 750 tree species, and 900 tons of living plants. According to Rain Tree, 438,000 species of plants have been registered as having economic or social interest - but there must be millions upon millions of species at the hands of the local indigenous people.

The ingredients for aya as we all know contain both an Maoi and the relevant tryptamines. Lets use for example viridis and caapi ( ignoring the various admixtures and different brews )

I wonder how the shamans discovered this combination ? It seems to my mind ( mathematically incompetent as it is ) that the odds of stumbling across the combo is millions upon millions to one ( is that right ?? I dunno - im shit at math )

I have heard though, that it was the spirit of the plants that bestowed this information to the indigenous shamans and to me it seems way more plausible than a potluck type scenario.

( nice link GHBeer - that is from the bbc doco "plants sex and drugs" right ? Very cool doco ! )

but consider generation upon generations of humans living in an area. i'm not sure of the history of aya, how far back its usage goes but really, hungry humans who have generations of knowledge over hundreds if nt thousands of years, how can they not come to know the species?

how do humans in that situation know plant foods vs plants that have no nutritional value? do the nutrient rich foods call out to them "hey you'll live if you eat us"

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Your probably right man. My last post was just regurgitated folklore really :P

Surely they can't really communicate with us humans like that ay ?? Have you ever experienced Aya Bot6 ?

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no i've never experienced aya, or dmt

does that discount me from all all critical thought?

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Hell no... Absolutely not my man. Sorry I did not to make it sound all elitist.

But I am thinking that after an aya session it might be a little bit easier to believe in the 'possibilty' that these plants have a spiritual force that may perhaps be able to communicate with us.

I can't explain in words my experiences... I'm not much of a wordsmith and the experience can be pretty ineffable - for me anyway.

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i get what you mean,

i believe plants have a lot more to them that "science" proclaims,

for the time being,

but i won't claim that plants have a consciousness that we humans can identify with, i mean how different are you to a plant? at the very least, you can move where ever you want, plants are stuck where their roots put them, you breathe oxygen plants breathe co2, you get energy from consuming food plants get energy from consuming sunlight,

you can identify with plants? really? i put it to you that you identify with an idealised image of an anthropomorphised version of plant life, based on your experiences

if someone cuts off your hand and eats it, do they automatically understand everything about you?

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disclaimer: i don't mean you, or you, but in in general "you"

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Perhaps so Bot6 - I am no authority on this stuff hey. Just going on what I have experienced - but for all I know I'm some brain in a jar experiment being studied by some Random one eyed purple life form - I may even be crazy :wink:

Just a subjective opinion - I have no backings for my claims - and even if I was sure about my claims.... how would one go about proving them ??

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indeed, how does one go about proving actual plant consciousness? as i said no one can, you or anyone can't know if there are "thoughts" going on in some random vine,

the first step is to prove that us monkeys are conscious, so,

are we?

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I dunno ? Ask the plants :P

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