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I've got a rooted back too, so I feel for you DS

Take it easy on the oxy man, I find that many GP's start you on a half arsed dose and then slowly crank the dose up until it gets out of control.

Depending on how bad the injury is disks can sometimes heal too. My ruptured disks weren't impinging on any nerves and they healed fairly well without any surgery.

All the best with it mate, I hope it works out well for you.

Thanks sally,

I am really hoping i can get back to %100 without an operation but hearing the Dr mummble as he looks at my lumber scan. ooh, im no specialist but i think thats beyond needles and rehab but lets just wait for the specialist.

I was started on a low dose of oxy. The Dr was willing to up the mg but i am hesitant taking them and hold off until the pain and nerve burning feeling start to get to much.

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If you've got nerve issues, have they tried you on Lyrica (pregabalin) or gabapentin yet? They can be quite effective for nerve pain, and don't interact with oxy so it's ok to take both. They can have side-effects (though they're pretty rare), and withdrawals if you don't taper off carefully - neither of which my doctor warned me about. But still, I had a crippling spinal injury last year & this had me back on my feet within a few weeks of starting it, after months of other stuff that didn't work. Might be worth asking about if it hasn't come up already.

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If you've got nerve issues, have they tried you on Lyrica (pregabalin) or gabapentin yet? They can be quite effective for nerve pain, and don't interact with oxy so it's ok to take both. They can have side-effects (though they're pretty rare), and withdrawals if you don't taper off carefully - neither of which my doctor warned me about. But still, I had a crippling spinal injury last year & this had me back on my feet within a few weeks of starting it, after months of other stuff that didn't work. Might be worth asking about if it hasn't come up already.

I have a Dr appointment on moday and the shooting nerve pain down the legs has brought tears to my eyes a few times. So i will definitely bring these meds up.

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I'm surprised they haven't mentioned them already - I was told they're usually one of the first things tried with nerve issues because they have "low abuse potential" as opposed to oxy & the like. But I saw three doctors before one suggested it. Hope it all goes well on Monday & they fix you up!

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Swimming overrated? How so? Ur back is in perfect alignment in the water and it exercises your back muscles?

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Maybe not for recovery of back injury, because that all depends on the nature of the problem etc, but as a form of general exercise, doesn't burn as many calories (if that's your thing), doesn't let your body heat up and won't improve bone density.

If there was reason to believe it would help with recovery then I'd say go for it.

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how do they treat you anyway? fuse the vertebra?

I have been told they may cut out some of the disk so it is no longer pushing up against the nerves running down my spine

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Maybe not for recovery of back injury, because that all depends on the nature of the problem etc, but as a form of general exercise, doesn't burn as many calories (if that's your thing), doesn't let your body heat up and won't improve bone density.

If there was reason to believe it would help with recovery then I'd say go for it.

Obviously you didnt see the size of those female chinese swimmer a couple of Olympics ago.

I always wondered why the chinese men didnt train with the woman and become instantly ripped and breaking all the world records. Mystery ;-)

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After a back injury like DS has there is often a lack of information about how to manage the injury. You get the standard RICE bullshit but no specific information about how to protect the disk/s.

I always view an injury like that as a mechanical failure, much like a mechanical engineer reviewing a failed component in a machine.

IME a disk injury such as herniation or rupture is caused by loading the disk too much when the spine is bent, and returning the spine to a position similar to what caused the accident will aggravate the injury even more. You must avoid moving the spine into a position that will further pinch the injured part of the disk again at all costs. An erect spine with the appropriate lordosis should keep the pressure spread evenly across the disks and not pinch the injured part of the disk again.

For myself if I don't keep conscious control of my posture/lordosis and it gets out alignment then I know I'll be in for absolute hell.

Even some of the worst ruptured disks still have a fully functional area in the middle of disk that can bear a load without a problem, it's when the spine is bent that problems arise. The people who mentioned abdominal strength earlier were on the right track, your whole mid section needs stay in a state of conscious control to stop your back relaxing into a curvature that will aggravate the problem.

After the acute phase of the injury when the swelling has gone down you can start working on regaining mobility but all your mobility needs to be controlled where the your mid section muscles keep everything fixed.

Check your posture often and don't allow yourself to slouch to the point where you put the injured disk in a pinched position.

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Wow yeah u should check out he bodies of swimmers. Just check em out.

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Swimming works all muscles in the body, with zero stress. and others already said, it build a body like no other sport B) but anyway, no activity is bad for you. so it's all personal preference!

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Swimmers train nonstop. Not the most effective exercise.

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So i went back to the doctors today and found out my regular dr has gone on indefinite leave. So i had to see one of the worst dr's i think ive meet and i work in health care and see doctors daily.

i mentioned the meds that Anodyne suggested but the egoistic doctor didn't even put a second thought into it before putting me on something different. I wont be seeing him again.

Im still waiting on the public healthcare system for the next step of treatment or my workcover claim to be accepted and then i can go through the private sector. Both have been a slow process

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i mentioned the meds that Anodyne suggested but the egoistic doctor didn't even put a second thought into it before putting me on something different. I wont be seeing him again

Don't necessarily write your doctor off just because he didn't follow that up - he's got access to your medical details and I don't, so it might not be an oversight, maybe these meds just aren't suitable for some reason. Doctors must get really sick of people self-diagnosing things off the internet. Still seems weird to me that they haven't tried pregabalin/gabapentin, would've been nice if he'd at least told you why he wouldn't consider it. Never be shy to fuck off useless doctors, your health is too important to let some stranger fuck it up (or fuck it up further, as the case may be). Hope you find a good 'un soon.

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Don't necessarily write your doctor off just because he didn't follow that up - he's got access to your medical details and I don't, so it might not be an oversight, maybe these meds just aren't suitable for some reason. Doctors must get really sick of people self-diagnosing things off the internet. Still seems weird to me that they haven't tried pregabalin/gabapentin, would've been nice if he'd at least told you why he wouldn't consider it. Never be shy to fuck off useless doctors, your health is too important to let some stranger fuck it up (or fuck it up further, as the case may be). Hope you find a good 'un soon.

I've had 24 hours to think about it and he was just a dickhead and thats putting kindly.

I have booked in with a different doctor at the same clinic. I have seen her before in the past and she is good but is always booked a week in advance

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Sending good vibes your way, hope your doing better than last post.

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Yeah, I hope it's getting better for you too DS.

I hope you are not still in the phase where getting out of bed or putting on your shoes on is a scary prospect. When my back is fucked just rolling over in bed requires a concerted effort to avoid aggravating the problem.

But you have to know it's fleeting thing that will pass. The pain is there for a good reason and (in hindsight) it seems it manifests to protect you from causing further damage.

When I wrote about posture before I suppose I missed the mark in some respects. Generally we think of posture as a static thing that happens when we sit or sit or stand. I think that's a major oversimplification.

Posture is a dynamic term related to movement ( to me anyway) ie how many people do you know know that have injured their spine to any serious degree by sitting or standing still - not too many I'd guess.

After a serious back injury dynamic posture is paramount, you need to be conscious of the lordosis & rotation of your spine whenever you move. Before you get up from a chair or bed etc you need to consciously set your spine into a position where the the perfect lordosis is maintained. Even a sneeze or a cough with negative lordosis can be an excruciating experience.

A few people suggested deadlifts as a way to alleviate your symptoms earlier on this this thread and they're well the right track. At the time of the injury if you were in as much pain as I've been in then deadlifts would have seemed like a completely irrational exercise. If you can't put your shoes on without causing excruciating pain then deadlifts would seem totally irrational.

But..

Correct form for a deadlift is exactly what you should be aiming whether you are lifting a weight or not - butt forcefully pushed back, spine arched (lordosis) and shoulders back.

Face the wall squats will give you better hip flexor mobility than anything a physio could give you and help re train your entire midsection for the required mobility (active flexibility) needed to prevent further injury

 

Some of the other youtube vids on wall squats show people flaring their knees at the bottom of the squat, this a major mistake, the excercise is all about hip/pelvis mobility and flaring your knees bypasses this.

Arse out and back and shoulders back is the only way to do it. Train for dynamic lordosis and hip mobilty with or without added weight - your choice.

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back should be as neutral as possible in deadlifts. don't round it and don't arch it

deadlift-lower-back.jpg

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^ he should be arching up so he can spot rival gangs rushing his crib trying to ice him, in that ghetto-ass gym of his :P

because the weights are dirty, and the wall is only half painted; presumably due to an uzi drive-by assault during the attempted refurbishment

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Unfortunately i developed a abcess on my arse this wèek. So there has been no tart to my back rehab, i have been bed bound and having penicillin shots each morning.

At the moment i am in hospital to get the abcess drained.

I will have a proper look at the recent responses asap

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Unfortunately i developed a abcess on my arse this wèek.

Is it from an ingrown hair in that little crevice where your coccyx ends and bum cheeks begin? (dunno if everyone has that little crevice :scratchhead: ...Not saying i have one... but just say'n. ) I know quite a few people who had had issues with this area.

Ya poor bugger, if it doesn't rain, it pours. Keep your chin up DeadStar. You should come and hang out with the other Melbournites at the next plant meet :)

All the best.

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i had a spiky seed in the top of my crevice once (you mean the crevice from which independent buttocks arise? AKA coinslot? no, i think you refer to residual tail, which is not quite as common as ass-crack). this seed was embedded so severely i didn't know what it was and i was afraid to pull it out for months; it seemed like a part of me, perhaps a mole or growth you know, and it felt like tearing off a tweezer-ful of my own flesh.

perfect thread to share this story. thanks for reminding me amzino.

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Unfortunately i developed a abcess on my arse this wèek. So there has been no tart to my back rehab, i have been bed bound and having penicillin shots each morning.

At the moment i am in hospital to get the abcess drained.

I will have a proper look at the recent responses asap

Hope you get better asap mate. Thinkin of you and the family it must be tough.

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