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How to recognize a huanucoensis

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This thing has several forms that all were started from seeds Harry Johnson Sr brought back to the US in the 1950s. It seems to be all over the planet now.

It can be insanely variable even within one form depending on where it gets grown.

It gets easily as fat (and often fatter) as any peruvianus. It can have no spines or long spines but usually not many per areole.

It looks sort of like a sparsely spined macrogonus and sort of like a bridgesii on steroids.

I'll get a bunch more images posted but want to focus on where this all started for me before returnign to this.

Here is one for starters. Please be patient with me for more images as they will come.

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So what's the "aff. huanucoensis"? Here's one in flower.

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Trichocereus aff. "huanucoensis"

~Michael~

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Hmmm I've posted pics of my huanucoensis in various threads at sab, perhaps I should post them in this thread as well...

in no particular order other than last years growth & bloom cycle first, then this years

huanucoensis on the right

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Last year I had five hybrid crosses with huanucoensis and this year theres another 5 or 6

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Hail Huanuco!

I could totally build a religion around this plant

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yea I would love a cut of that huanucoensis but I really don't see a difference between this plant and the long spined pachanoi forms around

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maybe to end the confusion permanently we should call all the pc= pachanoi, true pachanoids = huanucoensis. and all peruvianus = macroganous....

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Well I'm not sure that would end any confusion, especially since both the PC and T. huanucoensis don't best represent that which was first described as the species. T. huanucoensis seems to best fit in with T. peruvianus, maybe a more northern variation of the species, but that might depend on whether or not T. huanucoensis is something other than a simple cultivated transplant. I can't help but wonder if it has it's own self-replicating populations in the region. As for calling T. peruvianus T. macrogonus, well I've addressed that at length elsewhere and can't say I see a strong basis to do that just yet.

zelly, any comments on T. huanucoensis flower and fruit comparisons to other species?

~Michael~

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The source of confusion for most Trichoheads is a lack of appreciation of what taxonomy is or lack of taxonomic skills , combined with the common form of tricho-obsession.... the rest of the people should just wait for some DNA tests as we're having a nice time hypothesising....

There will be always a confusion... with natural and hort. hybrids .....

is Ferobergia a Ferocactus or a Leuchtenbergia?? heck you can't even place it in a genus!

PS: I find the idea to call the PC only 'pachanoi' completely void of any meaning....

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Sorry if this sounds too newbish as im just getting into collecting but... I read often this type of phrase "X doesnt best represent that which was first described as the species". So far in my journeys i have gathered that not much useful info was collected back in the day for plants such as Tricho's. The pics are often in black and white taken with what seems to be a potato camera. Couldnt a group of professionals get together and just scour the mountains of peru/bolivia/etc and just.. do a good job this time? collect useful pics and data that we can actually gleen info from? Then we could put all this "might be this might be that" to rest. Yes? No? Maybe? short sighted?

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Maybe if the funding was available to do something like that it could be done. But I don't think it's that simple. It would be a huge project. In my opinion genetic work would need to be done to really clear the air with it all.

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Maybe it would be cheaper to crowd source it. What about indexing every image that can be found of various Tricho's at certain known stages of development and cultivation specifics. Assuming say a T. Pachanoi doesnt have the ability to take the shape of every known Trichocereus then theres gota be some sort of line that could be drawn between types based on a certain set of cultivation factors. Or am i trying to count stars here?

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Or am i trying to count stars here?

give dat man a cigar

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I think a thorough genetic profile of the species is in order - who has the funding?

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Photo of mine - in full sun in the winter (30% shade in summer)

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See that looks like PC pedro to me but with really long spines. Is this NOT PC???

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just when i thought i had it down. heh what stands out for you that shows its not a PC? the long spines?

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Here's a better photo (more typical looking for Huanucoensis)

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Yeah, those look nothing like PC pedro. I would love to get ahold of a cutting

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My plants are a little like chameleons, taking on a different look as sun intensity changes and responding to fertilizer with much longer and tougher spines.

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AZS- why isnt your huan planted front & center in your yard? The sooner you can get that beast to flower the sooner we can get some purebred seed... :wink:

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Had to move all of the cacti a couple of years ago - just getting the plants and cuttings going

at their new home.

The Werdermannianus are in..

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My main concern is the occasional "hard freeze" we get - I didn't want to risk any mother plants

until I was sure of their cold tolerance.

The Terscheckii is in...

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And...almost forgot to mention...It is in the ground just not in the front yard yet!

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Hello AZS! Very nice Pictures. The first One is a Taquimbalensis.

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Hello AZS! Very nice Pictures. The first One is a Taquimbalensis.

Hope this isn't drifting too much from the thread but here is a photo of one from the same seed batch.

Each seed grown cactus is definitely an individual!

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Hi AZS! Yes, Taquimbalensis as well. Absolutely Fantastic Specimens btw. Thanks for sharing. Hope you get them to flower.

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