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Facebook tracking.. privacy etc. Please let me know if I'm paranoid

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A little warning about Facebook.

Now, for various reasons I have had to start a new account, this would actually be my third, but I have some very good, legal and legitimate reasons to create a new account before my old one was put to rest.

So today, unexpectedly, my account was blocked. The page brought up after failed login was this:

Please Verify Your Identity
We’re working hard to make sure that everyone on Facebook uses their real identity.
Facebook does not allow accounts that:

Pretend to be someone else
Use a fake name
Don't represent a real person

In order to regain access to your account, please complete the following security check to verify your identity and help keep Facebook secure.

So they ask for my phone number which I have always refused to give out online because I don't believe these organisations, email etc. should have them.

So I told them that was unacceptable.

So then they send me an email (after I made a complaint online, using their complaints system which does not acceptably cover this occurrence).

Hi,

Unfortunately, we are unable to assist you until you reply and attach a copy of one government-issued ID (ex: driver's license or passport) or two documents from an official organization. Together these documents must show your full name, photo, and date of birth.

Some examples of acceptable documents include:

- School or work ID
- Utility bill
- Marriage license
- Legal name change paperwork
- Credit card (with the number blacked out)
- Birth certificate

If possible, please save your file as a JPEG and cover up any personal information that we don't need to verify your identity (ex: address, license number). We also recommend sending your attachments over a secure connection. Find out more in the Help Center: https://www.facebook.com/help/etc.

Please note that we won't be able to assist you further until we receive the proper documents. We appreciate your understanding as we take these steps to keep your account secure.

Is this an invasion of privacy or what? And how necessary is it for Facebook to ask for all this information? Surely a human response via email is adequate. This is my own response, which was a bit knee-jerk but I was incredibly pissed off.

Are you kidding me?

I would like to know WHY you have blocked my account. Please explain in detail thanks, was it a complaint? Because if it was I would like to know who as me and some of my friends have been stalked by someone who I have made a complaint about recently (not linked to Facebook).

You are not getting personal and strictly private information from me without a decent explanation as to what is going on. I do not trust Facebook and I think it is extremely unnecessary that you ask for private and personal information unreasonably and without explanation from a private citizen.

Regards,

XXX

I'm actually kind of hoping for people to make a bit of a campaign about this on Facebook (clearly I can't do it myself, it seems my original account is blocked, and was pretty much defunct anyway) to outline the invasion of privacy that these people are prepared to go to without any reasonable redress or explanation.

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This kind of information isn't asked for on creation of an account so why is it being asked for now? Why are you asking me for personal and private information which has not been asked of my friends and colleagues? An answer would be appreciated. If you cannot provide a decent explanation for why my account has been blocked I may have to create another account (which you would probably block again since you seem to be unnecessarily hounding me) and I will have to write to the newspapers or change.org to see exactly what the hell Facebook is doing demanding personal information from private citizens.

Regards,

XXX

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Simple answer - don't use facecrack. I joined in the very early days.... circa 2007/8... but quickly gave it up as a very bad thing. Most concerned that my partner decided to put photos of our child on it. Thankfully it has been quite a while since this has been done. No trust for this corporation, ever.

Sorry if this is too blunt...

peace

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It looks like my original, several years old account has been blocked too, again without explanation. Apart from trying to log in once by phone, where it insists my fairly new password is incorrect...

So, the reason this has me disturbed is that I wasn't sure how Facebook managed to link my two accounts. There is very little information to link them, bar a few mutual friends (Torsten is one, and there are some others who know should something happen to me lol after I go to the papers with this, here's trying very hard not to get paranoid).

So the first way is that they know my regular IP address, now as you know this might be foolish but hey. Listen up, doing something legit can often expose what's going on, if inadvertently. So there's a few people on my network, 3 of which use Facebook regularly plus friends occasionally. It is not unheard of that more than one person uses an individual machine either. So could it be that?

The other is my phone, I have logged on to both through that. Now, asking for my phone number "for verification" is no different to checking whether email responses are human like, surely? So why ask specifically for a phone number? Perhaps they are already tracking you through your phone!

As far as privacy goes, this is really shit. Even if you don't give out your phone number, they already know it. I don't even know, it might possibly be illegal and these people have just shown their hand. You can see why I'm paranoid, especially with world events as they are, with journalists being silenced and what looks like world war three being ramped up with events happening all over the shop.

Seriously, I feel paranoid and wouldn't mind of someone could explain this shit to me because I really don't feel very safe right now. Have I suddenly entered a database as a potential terrorist or what?

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Simple answer - don't use facecrack. I joined in the very early days.... circa 2007/8... but quickly gave it up as a very bad thing. Most concerned that my partner decided to put photos of our child on it. Thankfully it has been quite a while since this has been done. No trust for this corporation, ever.

Sorry if this is too blunt...

peace

Not too blunt. I use it "legitimately" (as it was designed). I use my name, but am very private as to who has access and what I post. I actually started because I needed access to so-called "private" networks where I needed legitimate and legal info I didn't necessarily want my family to find out about. I say "private" - they'll be hidden from you, but not the the government, I'd say. I actually have no real reason to be paranoid, apart from all the anti-Abbott shit I post incessantly.

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And eseriously, why would Facebook even CARE if you:

Pretend to be someone else
Use a fake name
Don't represent a real person

Unless they are a secret government organisation whose software is deliberately designed to track it's citizens.

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Dont stress WW exactly the same happened to my first wife as well.

She was fortunate enough to be able to turn to a digital native who sorted it for her. Dont know how, dont want to know how! Problem solved, end of story.

Interestingly Qld police & the AFP do not recommend that you use your real name or details on social media for safety reason, i guess they are tired of taking complaints from ppl who have been scammed or had their "identity compromised" ie stolen and or sold.

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I don't know exactly how to enter this topic without going full psycho as a result of my passion against the 'Facebook' movement.

Ultimately it comes to this, Facebook is not a commodity with its soul purpose to entertain and connect individuals, it is a organization like any other. Although privacy changes and overall attitude suggest a sinister objective, to have details and confessions of users on hand for 'higher' organizations. Without trying to come across too tinfoil-hat-like this is some 'answers' I found in a 'documentary' I watched last week, it is called "Terms and conditions may apply" and I really do recommend it, it is not all about Facebook but it certainly does more than touch on it.

Anywho my angst for this form of social media is 100% the repercussions of ego! This concept of being in the limelight forces one to shape ego based on what they want to imprint themselves as to others. Not only are they creating a false self that they're then identifying with but they're defining themseles as a result.

Anyone who as practiced self-reflection can tell you the problem starts at defining yourself.

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Well, about to start my fourth profile and this one will not (indeed can not) be legitimate. So whatever they are trying to achieve it ain't working with me. I'm going to write to the papers, I think it's a pretty interesting story all up. How social media is tracking you and asking for personal information is actually driving people to make false profiles and hide themselves.

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Also a quick google search led me to some interesting threads where people claimed they had submitted government id and still not been re-instated. Nice work Facebook you arseholes.

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calm down whitewind.

facebook just wants to know who you are so they can link all of the private information you've handed them with your actual identity. more profits see?

now you know what facebook is. i say this with respect for you and full disdain for facebook, but if you still want to continue using their service then it's hard to take your anger seriously.

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I don't know exactly how to enter this topic without going full psycho as a result of my passion against the 'Facebook' movement.

Ultimately it comes to this, Facebook is not a commodity with its soul purpose to entertain and connect individuals, it is a organization like any other. Although privacy changes and overall attitude suggest a sinister objective, to have details and confessions of users on hand for 'higher' organizations. Without trying to come across too tinfoil-hat-like this is some 'answers' I found in a 'documentary' I watched last week, it is called "Terms and conditions may apply" and I really do recommend it, it is not all about Facebook but it certainly does more than touch on it.

Anywho my angst for this form of social media is 100% the repercussions of ego! This concept of being in the limelight forces one to shape ego based on what they want to imprint themselves as to others. Not only are they creating a false self that they're then identifying with but they're defining themseles as a result.

Anyone who as practiced self-reflection can tell you the problem starts at defining yourself.

profound words HY, you should post a bit more.

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calm down whitewind.

facebook just wants to know who you are so they can link all of the private information you've handed them with your actual identity. more profits see?

now you know what facebook is. i say this with respect for you and full disdain for facebook, but if you still want to continue using their service then it's hard to take your anger seriously.

I can't go into detail, Thunder, but I have found some of the networks extremely useful for finding obscure information I really can't find elsewhere on the net - I didn't even know they were there until someone persuaded me to activate a new account. Many of the people I needed to talk to use Facebook almost exclusively and are from all over the globe. Now I am cut off from those networks and it may take me time to link back in to all of them. Unfortunately Facebook has become a pervasive part of many people's lives and we can't cut ourselves off from everything society has to offer, as it isolates us and doesn't allow us to change the systems from within. Which means that we should be ever vigilant and report the problems we come across. I cannot see how Facebook's so-called security measures actually protect me as an individual, they seem based on guilty until proven innocent - and not even then, judging by the threads whereby people have actually made a serious attempt to prove who they are and been ignored. But what else do we have for accessing global information via word-of-mouth?

I don't see how we can effectively function in society without using the tools society has to offer, which automatically compromises us but otherwise we remain utterly disconnected and unable to have any impact on it.

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persuade your friends to use one of the countless other wonders of the world wide web.

facebook won't change but its users can. the fact that so many of them choose not to is why facebook will never need to.

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I tried to get a doof community going on bangbook, with limited success just for that reason Thunder LOL. i think its now just a porno site though, it did used to be kinda like a porno facebook though

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Never forget, guys! If you are not paying for the service, you are the product! Facebook is an evil data sucker because thats what they make their money with by delivering targeted ads. But since there are so many ways to get Accounts, i don't really worry about it. You decide what you want to share...and under what name! ;) Or if you want to use it at all. I understand everyones concern but you are using a free service that is merely built for the sake of collecting userdata for their adsystem. #whatdoyouexpect :)

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Never forget, guys! If you are not paying for the service, you are the product! Facebook is an evil data sucker because thats what they make their money with by delivering targeted ads. But since there are so many ways to get Accounts, i don't really worry about it. You decide what you want to share...and under what name! ;) Or if you want to use it at all. I understand everyones concern but you are using a free service that is merely built for the sake of collecting userdata for their adsystem. #whatdoyouexpect :)

Isn't this forum a free service? Are we the product? I've never been a product before. Do I need to get myself a producer?

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Isn't this forum a free service? Are we the product? I've never been a product before. Do I need to get myself a producer?

What do you think happens with the data that you enter in your facebook profiles? Like, every interest you mention in your profile or Every "like" you add to a pic or a post or every group you enter? The Amount of time you spend on a particular website? What you buy on ebay and amazon? Ever wondered why Google always provides you with personally optimized Ads according to your needs? Because you are being tracked on every big website you visit. Personal Data is a huge market and it´s what facebook makes most of their money with. Same with all kinds of services in almost every niche. If you are not paying, then you are in one way or the other the actual product that produces content, statistics, whatever. Or do you think that companies like facebook, twitter, pinterest, stumble upon, etc, offer their services just to make you happy? Ha Ha. Good One. Statcounter... is a free add-on for webmasters. They earn their money by selling the usage Statistics and the hot products. The Deutsche Bahn tried to sell of their customer Data. The german Telekom sold their customers data. Credit Card Companies sell their customer data as well as Mobile Companies. Ebay wants to sell of their customer Data too.

Look, this is not a secret and i am the least One to blame. If you don´t believe me, install yourself the firefox Add On Ghostery and check how many different Trackers the free websites have installed. You know, there are websites that have 15 different Trackers just to suck even the last drop of statistics out of you.

As far as i know, there are no trackers on SAB. It´s a Forum that Torsten pumps enormous Amounts of money in and you should maybe send the man a cake or something like that so he´s not getting the shit´s over the Server Bills. ;)

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paranoia dsnt call fr nuthn

i mean after all what's there to be paranoid about?

its only all the world's zombies...

collecting all the prescious data must be real hard since everyone's too smart to sign up with their correct details

or give their identity away willingly.... with no resolver up their sleeve...

and the warnings have been aloft so long now; they're overgrown with mosses and lichens... and some lost their freedom and lives to warn us too...

conclusion

- theyre long blatantly taking the living piss in malefic ways, - probably a brand new one every 20 seconds

and for every one nasty way.... that you find or see.....

just imagine how much/many more there were that you didnt ....

why dyu think a system is set up to be as unhelpful as poss for complaints/changes to their ways

these systems and tactics are ancient and older than us or that shite site,,,,

did you ever truely think the shite site was cool?

did you run any diagnostics like a change of IP, malicious software blocking add-ons for your browser

facefook disconnect

is there any real reason (ones worth risking ur real info for) to join facefook with your correct details ?......

other than sheepfactor because the person/s you wanna stay in touch with is also brainwashed......

......or soap opera factor.

which could be done anonymously all the same.

Stay there for more and throw away another opportunity to shut it off?

I dub facefook "nastware" and treat it appropriately ... it doesnt even exist if you really want it not to

i could have forgotten the shite site, - had your post not reminded me

-the phuqqan bastages that they were .

anyhoo ,,,,wishing you all you that you seek , and safe passage to it...

and that it turns out to be truely what you do intend to find

-✰)Horsey

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there are no trackers on here ;)

while ya at it with the ghostery and facefook di sconnect , why not try self destructing cookies too

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facebook had revenue of close to $3 billion last year, evidently not in it for shits and giggles

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not paranoid, just stubborn it seems... 4rth account? you must love this place a lot!

See "The Social Network" to see what kind of people the founder of facebook is...

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Lol 4th account? Just shifty probably. It's handy to have, but I don't really post up much except political stuff. It's a wonder I have any friends on there at all! But as in any place where a lot of "trade" is done, you can gather a lot of information so long as you're linked to the right people.

What actually concerns me most I think is that it would be a wonderful place to plan a revolution, but it is closely monitored by the authorities (run by in fact). That they can shut you down instantly with no recourse means that any networks made there are intrinsically compromised.

I mean, this may be obvious stuff, but I find it interesting. I certainly feel more paranoid nowadays now that we have the proof that we are being watched so damn closely. before we just thought it was extremely likely. The paranoid conspiracy theorists are actually right.

It's a shame, I'm generally in favour of some kind of government system, but they've consistently been shown to be ultra paranoid, working against the interest of the people it is supposed to represent, compromised by capitalism, and generally quite inflexible.

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I simply am not important enough to worry about Facebook tracking me I'm sure they have more interesting people they could look at.

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