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So, what VPN service are people using? Definitely something with endpoints in countries with decent privacy laws..

I'm planning on setting up my network properly this weekend with a few VLANs and hope to set up a decent router/firewall and encrypt ALL my traffic via VPN.

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let 'em come....

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Good business opportunity for anyone with the skills. Setting up the masses on VPNs.

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People shouldn't be forced to use a VPN to hide from their own government. I'm not surprised that Labor supports this, but it is dissapointing and stupid. Anyone that poses a threat to National Security or kids will easily avoid scrutiny. Meanwhile, the number of organizations that have access to the data of millions of Australians will inevitably expand.

And all that's before you even consider what a future government might choose to do differently with the information

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This whole metadata policy is ridiculous. The same kind of thing has been done in European countries (Germany and others) with insignificant difference to terror related crime.

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don't forget qld (and nsw?) have anti association laws, metadata can show you were in the vicinity of a person of interest, and if there is a pattern develop then you can become a person of interest, even if you've done nothing wrong (and thus, apparently, have "nothing to hide")

tas and vic now has anti protest laws, they can see exactly who was at a protest and thus charge everyone, crushing dissent and making meaningful opposition impossible,

you say you have "nothing to hide"? i ask why you are willing to give the state so much unfettered power with little to no oversight?

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Citizenfour is also worth watching if you haven't seen it alrady.

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they're the ones that brought it up under nicolo roxon, you wouldn't expect them to oppose their own policy :wink:

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i imagine meta data would be useful in prosecuting ag-gag cases, i.e. when an anonymous source gives film footage to four corners exposing animal torture, just check who was at the location described - there you've got yourself a prosecution

"Nothing to hide? nothing to fear!"

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I'm also concerned about how this lines up with the draft anti-piracy code..

Also, where the hell are the data centres going to be located to store all this? Offshore?

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I'm also concerned about how this lines up with the draft anti-piracy code..

Also, where the hell are the data centres going to be located to store all this? Offshore?

Contract will go to the cheapest bidder..

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I suppose they may as well just store directly in the NSA's data centres..

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The opposition is in opposition to being the opposition! :P Notsure if its the bias showing or not but shorten doesnt seem be getting as much media play as abbot did. When hasnt there been bipartisan support for such issues, time and again both major partys fold.

Assuming the costs of all this which is quite significant will flow onto consumers? now theres some trickle down effect! lol.

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I use PIA as well, but they are a USA based company. I've been using them to get past geoblocks

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PRIVATE INTERNET ACCESS

“Prior to the entire Lavabit ordeal, we had begun reaching out to the EFF, ACLU and FFTF in order to better understand the legal climate in which the internet operates such that we would better understand how we could hedge the company to better protect our ‘way of the internet’. Our CTO/co-founder, who many know as coderrr, the developer of privacy extensions from the early years of Bitcoin, moved out of the US along with our entire admin/development team.”

“Moving or establishing a VPN company outside of the US/EU would do little to protect against these kinds of issues as long as anyone with access to the machines remains within said regions. As such, he and the entire admin/development team are committed to remain outside of the US, and in fact, the team in its entirety are decentralized across the globe in countries that have historically been very reluctant to assist the US. Simultaneously, our research team has been implementing and increasing our available crypto-suite.”

“As for myself [Andrew Lee], I love my country. Please do not misunderstand, as a minority born, raised and living in the US, I am certainly not screaming, ‘MERIKA FUK YAH!’ However, this country has provided a climate in which people can work hard to better their lives and, as well, enjoy great liberties which, in reality, most/many countries fail to match. As such, I, myself, remain in the US in order to help see to it that this country is able to continue/return to being a land of liberty and freedom. To this extent, we’re really putting our money where our mouths are.”

“However, to remain in the US, meant, as well, the relinquishing of my access to the PIA systems/network. Administrators, developers and co-founders everywhere can relate to the difficulty of doing so, but the reality is that it was a requirement if I was to remain here. This policy is in place, and relinquished access I have.”

“With regard to the gag orders, recently a US judge ruled the gag order provision to be unconstitutional, in violation of First Amendment rights. We do consider this to be a win for our side, in our quest to bring our privacy and civil liberties back to levels which we as a society can decide for ourselves. With that said, it’s not the end of the battle, as the ruling is currently being appealed, and as such, no decision is certain at present.”

“However, we’re a company that operates, as we said on our privacy policy, within the spirit and letter of the law. As such, we believe in constitutionally provided privacies and liberties and, to this extent, I’d like to make it unequivocally clear that we will fight any gag order to the fullest extent given that it clearly undermines First Amendment rights and the transparency of governmental interactions with private entities.”

“While I’d like to yell some kind of statement as many have before that most certainly could never be upheld, our customers and TorrentFreak readers deserve to know that we’re fighting to the best of our abilities, within the confines and maturity of the existing societal infrastructure. This is not the only way, but this is currently the best way for us to make a meaningful broad impact.”

how nsa proof are vpn providers?

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I didn't know they'd moved out of the USA. Do you know when that happened Stu? Still best not to use their USA exit nodes for anything other than streaming content/torrenting (but that goes for all VPNs).

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i don't think USA based has much relevance, as the US supreme court ruled NSA can do whatever it wants to overseas comms but needs a warrant for US->US comms (hence why NSA could bug merkels phone)

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although worth bearing in mind canada now requires by law that vpn providers log all data

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supposedly these guys don't keep any of your data unlike most vps which hold it for days/weeks or months

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I wouldn't trust Private Internet Access as far as I can throw them. They've spoken out against warrant canaries, however there are EFF and other lawyers who think they are a good idea and would defend warrant canaries in court.

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