Darklight Posted September 16, 2003 The medical marijuana issue in Canada, while being handled with a degree of enlightenment by the govt, seems to have struck some teething problems. So- anyone here fancy padding out their CV and emigrating as a consultant? Still, it's unlikely to expect any govt to grow good dope, they only ever specialised in ripping it out ____________________________________ FIRST TOKERS OF HEALTH CANADA CANNABIS CALL IT DISGUSTING, WANT MONEY BACK OTTAWA (CP) - Some of the first patients to smoke Health Canada's government-approved marijuana say it's "disgusting" and want their money back. "It's totally unsuitable for human consumption," said Jim Wakeford, 58, an AIDS patient in Gibsons, B.C. "It gave me a slight buzziness for about three to five minutes, and that was it. I got no other effect from it." Barrie Dalley, a 52-year-old Toronto man who uses marijuana to combat the nausea associated with AIDS, said the Health Canada dope actually made him sick to his stomach. "I threw up," Dalley said Monday. "It made me nauseous because I had to use so much of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Auxin Posted September 16, 2003 The first couple crops from any grower generally isnt all that good- this applies to governments too. What they need to do is pull a couple of growers out of jail and hire them as farmers- thats what I'd do in their place. Of course the crappy pot aint worthless. Apply a little chem and you can transform it into the best stuff around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smiling Cloud Posted September 16, 2003 what kinda chem? Would good stash turn into el primo stash? Of course I wouldn't do it, just touching ganj makes your brain explode;) cheers SC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Auxin Posted September 17, 2003 "what kinda chem?" Simple extraction to produce extract enhanced herb works quite well, if you get more complex it gets better- odviously. A SWINMs borthers gnomes uncles girlfriend tells me the product can come out very potent, but only if done where legal- otherwise just seeing it turns you into a heroin addict terrorist (it must be true, the government told me so). "Would good stash turn into el primo stash?" Now your getting the idea. And el primo stash turns into stuff you have to measure with a toothpick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theobromos Posted September 19, 2003 Canadian government grass would not give a good yield and would be less ecologically sound to extract from. Loss of solvents (even with recycling techniques) would justify getting holding of some of that tasty 20% plus skunk bud. In my opinion, hang me for it if you like. With a hemp rope please. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Auxin Posted September 20, 2003 You dont know how cheap solvents are over here. Aussies pay something like $100 and your left testicle for 1/2 liter of isopropanol, we pay $0.38- no testicles involved. Others (acetone, MEK, toluene, xylene, etc.) $5-10/gallon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theobromos Posted September 20, 2003 I am not talking monetary cost but environmental cost. And the product would be just that little bit bit better. I knew somebody who was boiling down some skunk oil in dichloromethane. At one point, very concentrated, it got very cold due to the evaporation and whitish (compared to the dark green liquid) crystals formed. He has wondered ever since if he should have whipped them out and investigated and hang the cost. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Auxin Posted September 20, 2003 Theo- I think you got confused about what 'skunk oil' is. Skunk oil has no relation to plants, and it solidifies at 21 C. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slarty Fart Blaster Posted September 21, 2003 quote: Skunk oil has no relation to plants, and it solidifies at 21 C. ??? So Auxin are you talking about Skunk Must ?, but that also doesn't solidify at 21 C. Gnomes wouldn't use any of the solvents you mention for this, they would use butane which is available in every news agents and gives the cleanest product possible with low tech. This doesn't solidify at 21 C but is a thick honey like consistency. http://www.overgrow.com/growfaq/784 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gomaos Posted September 21, 2003 Still, it's unlikely to expect any govt to grow good dope, they only ever specialised in ripping it out This may not be true. Can anyone remember hearing about a "FBI"strain of marihuana a couple of years ago or so? It just had a number as name, was grown by the fbi for whatever reason, and was a breakthrough in so far that it was great "tripping grass" while not having the (for many people unwanted)side effect of the munchies, i.e. it would not make you hungry, like all other mj does. I know a gnome who would prefer this strain... [ 20. September 2003, 23:19: Message edited by: gomaos ] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torsten Posted September 21, 2003 Originally posted by Slarty Fart Blaster: Gnomes wouldn't use any of the solvents you mention for this, they would use butane which is available in every news agents and gives the cleanest product possible with low tech. This doesn't solidify at 21 C but is a thick honey like consistency The results of this extraction technique can be quite variable. usually it is a viscous oil, but on at least one occasion I have seen it become solid at ambient temps of 25 degC after sitting in a dish for a couple of days. This was an experiment done by the inventor of the "honey tube" and was using top quality hydro buds. he also said that most of the time the oil will *eventually* solidify and that scraps in the bottom of the evaporating dish can be removed this way quite easily. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DreamingNagual Posted September 21, 2003 Quote from Gomaos..."Can anyone remember hearing about a "FBI"strain of marihuana a couple of years ago or so?"It just had a number as name. Are we talking aboot G-13? [ 21. September 2003, 04:15: Message edited by: MOJORISIN ] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Auxin Posted September 21, 2003 "??? So Auxin are you talking about Skunk Must ?" No, I'm talking about skunk oil- its a real product manufactured from the fat of skunks, not for stink bombs (skunk oil doesnt stink) but rather for precision mechanical applications or something if I remember right. And yeah, your little butane trick is a nice shortcut for the impatient lazier blokes that dont give a damn about yield, cost, the environment, or the very real possibility of detonating themselves (can you tell I'm not an advocate?). But hey, for people that dont know chemistry it is the best procedure if you insist on a extremely potent product right away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gomaos Posted September 21, 2003 Are we talking aboot G-13? Probably? Do you know much about it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anodyne Posted September 22, 2003 quote: And yeah, your little butane trick is a nice shortcut for the impatient lazier blokes that dont give a damn about yield What sort of yield does it give compared to other methods? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Auxin Posted September 23, 2003 quote: Originally posted by Anodyne: [QBWhat sort of yield does it give compared to other methods?[/QB] Lower. Yeah, I know thats a bit vague- but any insightful quantitative study would have to be done by chemists who would reflexively optimize the procedure and consecuently get a higher yield than normal for the backyard butane boiler. Reports I've read always seemed like they were getting in the range of 1/5-1/2 the expected yield. Not surprising because its just a quick wash of whats on the surface. If it were legal where I live in Orbis Terrarum I could prove that its not the best yield by doing the procedure, taking the 'waste', extracting it with acetone, adding the extract to parsley, and doing a bioassay. But yield isnt the main source of my dislike for the procedure (I dont care if people waste their weed), my worry is one of y'all are gonna blow yourselves up (where legal). Or at the very least release pollutants by the cubic metre. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slarty Fart Blaster Posted September 24, 2003 Yours is bigger than mine, well done.... but the point i was making was purity, we are talking about medical users here !, guilty of being a lazy shit though, i would have thought anyone who had seen the result of this method would be a instant convert, this and ice-o-hash are by far the cleanest, purist = strongest forms of THC a user can obtain. Ideal for vaporizing. Anyone for a hot rat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zetetic Posted September 24, 2003 gomaos:Are we talking aboot G-13? Probably? Do you know much about it? i know it was mentioned in the movie 'american beauty' and then that conversation sampled in a few nice tracks.,..http://www.overgrow.com/edge/showthread/t-10448.html this link has a small discussion about it and typing it into google brings up much more info. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anodyne Posted September 26, 2003 Auxin said: quote: Not surprising because its just a quick wash of whats on the surface. I thought this was where most of the goodies were? I have heard people claim that material that has been extracted with butane is pretty well worthless. I don't smoke, so I can't comment. I guess people also use this method in Oz because, laziness and chemical ignorance aside, cheap clean solvents are hard to come by. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Auxin Posted September 26, 2003 Anodyne:Auxin said: quote: Not surprising because its just a quick wash of whats on the surface. I thought this was where most of the goodies were?... I guess people also use this method in Oz because, laziness and chemical ignorance aside, cheap clean solvents are hard to come by. Yeah- most is on the surface, and if the butane process is done right most of that can be extracted- still leaves behind some.And yeah, as far as solvents go butane is the easiest to get rid of- still, the prospect of a giant explosive cloud floating around isnt a very nice thought (at a concentration of 1.9 to 8.5% in air it is explosive, above 8.5% the explosion is slower and harder to initiate). Its the high explosion hazard, and the environmental impact that makes me look down on the butane process, well that and the cost- you can distil hexane pretty easy, not butane though. Everytime a chemical procedure is done where the solvent is unrecoverable its bad for the environment unless the solvent is water of course. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theobromos Posted October 2, 2003 Any skunk oil I mention is suitable for vegans Share this post Link to post Share on other sites