When women masturbate.....

[Torsten]

Straight guys get off on watching women masturbate. I wonder, do straight women get off on watching guys masturbate? I would assume so. And if so, what sites do women go to to get their jizz fix? I mean, there aren't a lot of straight-guy-only sites around, but there is a shitload of gay sites.

I've known a couple of straight guys who modelled for porn sites. They were told it was for straight sites so women could look at them, but eventually they ended up on gay sites. It made me think just how many models on gay sites are made to think that their prime audience are girls.

And I am not talking about poor russian boys that will do anything for $20 that will allow them to live for a month . I am talking about guys who quite happily volunteer their services - often for free, or for a fraction of a weekly wage.

It seems that a gay model performs very differently to a straight model. Gay sites are just plastered with sets of photos that are quite obviously aimed at girls. In some you can even see the model looking at girlie magazines to get off.

So do women actually go to gay sites to check out the latest twink, or do they have straight boy-only sites where they get their boy displays, but are not exposed to icky gay sex?

If you want to stay anonymous PM me. if you are not female, please ask your female partner or friend about this. I am seriously intrigued.

[coin]

always wondered this myself

do straight women like watching gay porn, even if it's kind of soft core

[faustus]

geez given the other thread about the lack of skirt on this forum, i'm convinced this topic will be the one that gets the woman posting by the droves!

as a sweeping generalisation i don’t reckon that woman get excited by guys jacking off. if a girl was to masturbate in public, there’d be a massive crowd of guys, but you’d never get the reverse. i reckon the appeal of women masturbating is that it’s an overt display of their sexuality. typically we don’t expect girls to be as into sex as we are, so when they start treating their bodies like an amusement park, we’d just love more of that. a guy jacking off? well there isn’t anything idiosyncratic about that.

[Rev]

Good question T

My partner has expressed this same frustrating situation with reagrds to there being no good porn for women

It seems to have gotten better in the casting but youll still find pink arsed (or worse no arsed) pot bellied balding dudes serving as pistons

I dont know what straight chicks get off on really if they are watching porn alone but i know they long for a little more development in male casting and choreography when porn is watched together

suggestions given.

Far less - Anal, Bukkake,choking,other wierd stuff etc.. that is girls obviously in discomfort

More - DP,TP, female dominance, eg girls really enjoying themselves (someone to relate to i guess)

I know quite a few straight women who take their porn in a different way - in literature instead of audio visual.

but even there they complain about the dominance of cheesy long haired beefcakes with cocks like vienna loaves but nothing between the ears (be it wit or brains - whatever turns them on)

& for the record i dont find female masturbation or girl on girl action that appealing. I see it as pretty much wasted space on the video

am i alone in this? It seems that its considered a given in teh way that the male obsession with lesbians and female masturbation is portrayed in the media

In reality i see Lesbian porn no more appealing than i find gay porn. theres nobody to relate to.

do we need a poll?

[ 13. May 2005, 17:50: Message edited by: Rev ]

[Torsten]

twix - this is not some lurid topic, but a serious social enquiry. if I learnt anything about women then it is that they want to be considered. Most guys nver bother asking women what they want (but complain if they nag for it). I don't want their juicy details etc, and I guess I should have noted (for anyone who doesn't know yet ) that I am gay.

rev - no point having a poll. we established elsewhere that women don't vote in forum polls

I always assumed women like to watch guys get it off or on. Vacuous women love strip shows and the brighter ones probably also don't mind them too much, but usually won't admit it. TV sitcoms and soapies live and die with how cute or sexy the guys are - not how sexy the women are!! The main demographic who religiously watched the original (ie UK) 'Queer as folk' was not young gay guys, but young and middle aged women. All this indicates that women like to watch. But *what* do they like to watch? Obviously not the Ron Jeremy donkey parade or a bukkake bath.

One of my ex girlfriends used to get real horny from reading romantic novels and this is definitely one of the pleasure outlets for women. Why else would trash like that constantly get into the best sellers lists. So if they like romantic sexual imagery painted in words, then why not in pictures? The question is though, how romantic does it have to be? is it enough if some barely 18 eurotwink rubs his chest a few times and then pops his boner out, or should he be setting the table, preparing dinner and running a lavender bath, all in his underwear before gently stroking himself?

I once woke up to my ex pleasuring herself while looking at my morning glory - and that was even though she always insisted visual stuff doesn't do anything for her. But then again she also liked to have sex in public places for the thrill of getting caught. Maybe she wasn't really excited by the sight of a penis, but rather just at the thought of me waking up and 'catching' her. I wish I'd asked her now.

I was never into bondage, but I DJed at a bondage club for a while. There were always more women than guys there.

So looks like the things that get women going are romance and bondage

[ 13. May 2005, 18:26: Message edited by: Torsten ]

[2b]

I don't think women get into porn as much as men , simple. I would say by far that men are the main consumers of any porn.I know we would all like to think that women find porn equally attractive , but market forces have spoken and most porn is aimed at the male consumer. Can you name one porn magazine on sale that is targeted to the female consumer ? Sure there out there , just not very popular so hardly any would be stocked by any one other than a specailty shop. So what gets women off ? I think the gay boy porn works for some , my wife loves the Queer as Folk , Brian type of gay guys and can't understand why straight guys don't aspire to look more like him ? ( that being the Armani type with chisled features and great body ) So yeah maybe gay porn would be right for her , but the anal would turn her off straight away. Don't know if anyone saw the doco "Velvet strip" on SBS a few weeks ago about the Velvet Hammer berlesque shows they put on in the US ? The point was Burlesque is about tease , it's tantalising , it's erotic and they don't take it all off ,pole dancing in a strip club is more sex simmulation were the dancers pretend they are having sex , it's not a tease , and that in my opinion would be the diference between male & female porn. The females possibly would be more interested in erotica than porn. :confused:

[caludia]

Re: porn and women, my wife and ex gf too tell me that the VAST majority of females simply don't find porn arousing.

you sometimes read on the Drudge Report and Yahoo News that ridiculous %'s of women consume porn (i read something like 25% of all porn is viewed by women)

i am told that in fact the main reason women look at porn is to "see how things are done", to compare themselves with the porn stars, to see how men operate when having sex, etc.

it's generally not to get off. They don't sit there beating off like blokes do

YESSSS, of course SOME actually DO get off from porn, sexually. But i am told reliably, from those who should know: Not Many.

[caludia]

sorry my wife just told me that in fact many women DO get aroused when they look at "raw porn" (without plot or context)

but that they prob don't get as aroused by this anonymous street sex as blokes do

but she did say that it is true that plain curiosity is a large part of porn viewing by women. so there.

ok?

[Auxin]

I know several women that are into watching porn. Like me about half of em are into femdomme bondage where the girls tie up guys, flog them, and use them for pleasure (I'm not saying 50% of all women are... just 50% of the ones I hang with ). They are also into regular straight girl-guy porn that guys frequently watch and have asked me several times what vids have cute guys (they can get potbellied guys covered in a mat of fur at home) as well as asking which ones seem to be centered on the womans pleasure at least as much as the mans. And naturally some are into girl-on-girl as well as... more kiny stuff.

It seems they just go for the better fraction of stuff thats really made primarially for guys.

But- if you wanna know how girls can get a quick fix just go into a internet chat room and say 24/f/aus... several of the women I know really do get off on watching a guy on cam (and sometimes gossip to me about who has the cutest butt or cock... hell, after hearing the reports on them I've downloaded a few pics of guys I know- lol), genuine women tend just to cam with guys they know though.

So thats what little I know- not sure on commercial porn made primarially for women though.

[planthelper]

i am not so turned on by lesbo stuff, but many straight guys are, and yes man straight girls get turned on by gay stuff, i believe.

on top of this often girls want to save a gay man, seems they get jellous of the other sex, sort of, "but hey this is our job".

my exwife watched porn and got turned on by it,

specially when she was prego!!

i would watch her from the outside of the house rubbing herselfe, than come in and ahh.

every woman is different some love it up the ass, others hate it but love oral. only few girls allways swallow. i got a strange theorie that girls say no do some request of there partner, but maybe out of curiousety try it with there next.

one girl said to me, my previous boy friend wanted anilingus but i said no.

but i got lucky this way, weeks later and i think she didn't remeber she told me about this before as she was proly on the piss that time.

bondage and rape fantasys are more common than one thinks for girls, i was told thats because "i don't have to take responsebilety".

but certainly rape fantasys have to stay a fantasy, whilst other fantasys can be lived out.

sometimes living it out, the result is better than the fantasy and sometimes not

often girls are better of rubbing themselves anyway even during intercourse, lets say..

the girl gets tied up, but asks please leave my right hand untied, so i can rub myself, you can still (fantasy) rape me and like this it would be better for you aswell as i get juicier and can spread it open for you.

but generaly woman have mostly very mild fantasys when they masturbate, a guy that peeks at her in the cloth shop and finaly is allowed to watch a bit of her skin peeking through a gap she left for him in the changing boot is all they need.

often woman aswell visualize rather the cloth and color of the cloth the man in the fantasy is wearing.

woman seem to me more often having same sex fantasys than man.

watching your partner masturbate has to be one of the first excersises in a new sexuall relation ship, because like this you can quickly learn how does she/he like it. for example oh she only goes slowly up and down with the finger and never sideways and faster and faster, like the other partner. another woman masturbation thing is the rare g-spot female ejaculation thing. it's even rarer when coitus is performed because the penis cannot stimulate the g-spot as easyly as a hand can.

often girls come fast using a vibrator, but hardly with ther partner, again the seem to rather let go and relaxe, with the dildo than with the live penis, i talk about a sort of performance anxiety. apart from that no mans tounge can compete with a hummingbird vibrator...

aswell it might be said that girls reaching easely a vaginal orgasm are aswell quite rare, so clitoral stiulation whilst intercourse takes place is allways a good idea, or the very common (specialy with young pre cox lovers) boy comes first, girl masturbates later.

my trick for premature ejaculators, if you feel you get cose to come, look at the wall or floor and start counting the floorboards, worx wonders try it (of course i don't have to use this trick,... unless i did hold my load for weeks).

or think about book keeping problems at work, or think of your saving account, i hope you get it!

btw, i am not a sex addict, but had allways an interest in this topic.

and yes girls like to tie up man, and so let them do it, and than after a while you say but now it's my turn.

ok a quick fantasy:

get an emty fridge cardboard box from the shop.

poke two holes in it, one for the eyes one for the genitals... one partner is in the box, the other one teases, shows of a bit of body flesh and so on. have you been a good boy/girl?

yes, partner is alowed to smell privat parts, than later lick, than oral and/or vaginal or anal gratification thrue the "glory hole".

to us men i say never take a fantasy to much at heart, sexuallety is a peculiar thing, you both might find it a horny thought to think mr./misses X did or want's do do it with your partner, but the realety is far,far from it.

i don't know the answere either wher woman have to go to masturbate themselves off, but as said the manpower group and strippers seem to be favored. woman get turned on by gorgeous ass, cute smile and good abs, just like the gays...

the idea to make something specialy for woman has been raised often before, but mabe the market is/ was not worth it.

oh, i just remeber i stripped ina pub once and penetrated the corner pocket of the pool table, the girls went bananas, but the boys didn't look much...

:D

ok thats a new project for me, i get a camera and see how it goes...

[ 14. May 2005, 08:29: Message edited by: planthelper ]

[gomaos]

btw i am not a sex addict

yeah that stuff is so god-damn addictive....

[smogs]

depends a LOT on the girl... i have podered this same question as a student of psychology T and through much asking have found that the vast majority of girls think the idea of 2 guys is gross and off putting.

as for the other stuff it really varied alot... my g/f (glad she doesnt read this site so i can talk about her) is not adverse to porn but she only likes straight 1 girl 1 guy porn... and she likes it with a bit of bondage and anal sex etc

as for chicks not get turned on by porn... thats just because they dont want to... they have this idea in their head that porn is wrong and bad (stupid church) and therefore they go yuck and try to ignore it

for porn to work u gotta use your imagination... the only reason anyone gets aroused by it is because they imagine it happening to them... its not the fact that its sex... otherwise the thought of even your parents having sex would be arousing... but instead its disgusting (because u imagine your involved).

so basically its society that has this thing where ladies are proper... and thus alot of girls think they arnt sposed to be looking at porn so dont imagine themselves in it and thus dont get turned on. hope that makes sense heh heh

as for the chicks getting turned on by masterbation i would say its probably lower than blokes getting turned on for a very simple reason... during sex (straight sex anyways) the man is dominant. I dont want to hear any anyone object because no matetr what its always going to be the bloke doing the penetrating (with sex organ at least)

this means that when a bloke sees a naked girl he imagines all the things that he could do to her... whereas a chick is more likely to think of all the things that are done TO her... thus she projects herself onto the woman... so a woman masterbating the bloke thinks "oh yeah i would like to do that and then something else" but if a woman sees a blokes its more like "ok so theres a guy getting off... but how does that help me"

simular thing for 3 somes why guys think its great and girls not so much... a guy thinks... shit yeah 2 for the price of one... where as a girl will think what a rip off i only get half the action.

its all about passive and dominant roles

[apothecary]

My best friend is at best apathetic to porn.

I can recall a situation where we played chess on my bed with some weird swedish porn going on the computer in the background.

That was actually pretty funny. I feel like chess now :/

[waterdragon]

Rev:

& for the record i dont find female masturbation or girl on girl action that appealing. I see it as pretty much wasted space on the video

am i alone in this?

i'm still waiting for chapelle corby and her interpreter to get it on, they'd make such a hot couple, and so much more interesting than all that talk of sentencing and shit.

[shroomy]

"here" "here" mister dragon.

[Torsten]

smogs & 2b - it was pretty obvious to me that girls would not be into gay anal porn, which is why I was specifically talking about single guys jacking off on cam/pic.

After thinking about this some more I realised that the girls in my circle who liked porn would be mostly turned on by looking at naked guys. If they were hard then that would be a bonus, but not required. It seems that none were particularly turned on by the action/movement of jacking off though. So maybe this takes us back to the difference between porn and eroticism?

2b - as for market forces, there are lots of erotic and porn mags for girls and women. However, looking at my bottom draw, I wonder just how much of their turnover is in the straight female market vs the gay male market

These mags that are aimed supposedly at girls/women are quite different to gay porn though. They are more about the models presenting themselves and their bodies rather than the act of wanking. There are also lots of stories along with the pics. And the whole thing seems infinitely more tasteful than your average gay porn.

So it seems we have got some good indication that porn does work for women. The question now is just what sort of porn.

[Rev]

waterdragon:

 

i'm still waiting for chapelle corby and her interpreter to get it on, they'd make such a hot couple, and so much more interesting than all that talk of sentencing and shit. [/QB]

u have point there

in that context i think it would be arousing

maybe i just dont like it cos im sick of dolled up porn stars

Maybe the problem is a hangover of social attitude s and self regulation of female sexuality

gay men and gay women afer defined by sexuality

stright guys are expected to like porn

but women..

how many are still bound by taboos in their own actions or even in the way they allow themselves to think or how they respond to others candid sexuality

I would not want to be a woman- life seems to be so much more regulated and restrictive

[ 15. May 2005, 11:29: Message edited by: Rev ]

[Leo^]

I worked in a large well known dept store for many years. I must say the females there were very open about their sexuality inculding masterbation methods, even bringing in their toys to show their friends and us males who were curious. That was a real eye opener but was also so nice to be able to openly talk to ppl about these things, it is normal after all.

[apothecary]

Just gonna add my nerdy nerd input to this conversation.

The porn industry has been the pioneer and forerunner in all technical advancements in the last 20 years.

Online shopping, video streaming, chat rooms, you name it, the porn industry was there first.

I can't say any more on the actual topic because as a nerd, I have no knowledge of women whatsoever, in fact, I have been living off a steady diet of cheez-its and mountain dew for three years now.

[ 15. May 2005, 14:43: Message edited by: apothecary ]

[mr toodly]

Torsten:

Gay sites are just plastered with sets of photos that are quite obviously aimed at girls. In some you can even see the model looking at girlie magazines to get off.

This might address a gay fantasy of "converting" straight guys.

[woof woof woof]

Have had 3 GF that I know that got turNed ON from watching porn!

I think most straight woman do - especially if it catches them off guard HE he he he.

I am sure that 51% will get turned on!

I am also sure that that 51% ( lol - the majority ) like to discribe in detail how their experiences were. More detailed then most men.

[wandjina]

I like guys, I like girls, I like sex and I like watching porn.

However,in my view, as a woman, the vast majority of hetero-porn is lacking something: the chicks in the movies are obviously not enjoying themselves.

Sure, I'll still watch it, and enjoy it on one level, but the fact that the women's eyes look bored, pained or just plain detached makes these films dull.

There are exceptions of course, in some Brasilian porn I've seen the women were most definately enjoying themselves...and so did I

I've heard there's porn made for women (attractive men, some semblance of plot/substance etc etc), but never seen any.

With reference to my circle of female friends I can say the following:

We like watching porn...but find alot of it boring/annoying. This doesn't stop us from watching it though :D

We don't like seeing women in discomfort whilst some revolting moustachioed slob gets his rocks off. Yuck

We do like watching anal sex

We're not that interested in watching guys masturbate, but we do like some gay stuff.

With regards to the last point, unlike alot of hetero porn where only the guys are really having fun, in the gay stuff everyone seems to be enjoying themselves. For this reason I have enjoyed what gay porn I've seen..I like watching guys have sex (not so much leather boys/bears though), but not really interested in watching a guy wank. (So yeah Torsten, some women do like watching guys together.)

I do like watching women masturbate, and lesbian stuff...great. But again, in the vast majority of les stuff i've seen- aimed at men, girls not enjoying it...BORING.

Personally, I'd rather watch something like 'In the Realm of the Senses'...mmmmm, very nice. I've also found japanese (manga?) erotica very appealing, including the comic 'Bondage Fairies'...fantastic and bizarre. Erotic art is also something I appreciate, illustrations of the kama sutra, pillow book, and older japanese art.

I guess I'm saying i like to look at stuff with some 'art' in it,some substance, or at least mutual gratification. If everyone's enjoying themselves, no matter what exactly it is they're doing, then I'll like it.

[planthelper]

wanjina, i just hung up your painting!

:D

and you reminded me, i once asked my ex why do you like this movie in particular? because the woman realy likes it was her answere!

and out comes the cunilingus graemlin.

ahh that's better.

:D