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n-methyl-cyclazodone for ADD treatment [REVIEW]

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I suffer from chronic ADD and have tried a variety of different supplements to help me manage it. I usually end up buying ritalin and dexamphetamine from mates to combat it, as psychiatrists keep refusing to prescribe me due to historic substance use issues. In search of a better solution, I stumbled upon n-methyl-cyclazodone - a distant relative of 4-methyl-aminorex and closer relative of cyclazodone.

 

I've been using it 3 days so far and have tried a few different oral dosage levels.

100mg over the course of the day - intense anxiety, jumpy behaviour. too anxious for it to really help my ADD at all.
40 mg in the morning - improved ADD symptoms substantially, but I wasn't particularly driven to do the things I needed to do as much as things I wanted to do. slight anxiety
20 mg in the morning - major improvements of ADD symptoms, 0 anxiety.

Interestingly, none of these doses impacted my sleep at all. Even when I redosed right before bed I was able to sleep soundly.

Need to conduct further research before I can be sure this is a useful medication for me long term.

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Interesting stuff. Sometimes the smallest doses can be the best. Sounds like you had good success with this.

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Tried 20mg with 2.5mg dexamphetamine tonight. Quite synergistic. My mind feels a bit more open to things than it would be with just dexamphetamine. The combination is great. Even with the dex at such a low dose in driven to do necessary things much more so than I was on just n-methyl-cyclazodone.

 

Btw if anyone is interested in using this or other nootropics check out www.newmind.com

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I hope you sort it man I've just banished the mental health system from my life took quite a while because I dug myself a pretty deep hole around 2013 I'd almost make it out by the end of the year and then either a friend or family would call the hospital and I would wind up admitted luckily for me my family is coming to understand that I simply took to much and the friends that use to make that calls are now dead in the water. so I just need to manage myself for long enough with diet, good habits etc to completely nullify the Bi-polar diagnosis as at that point the dr's were just grasping at straws when the mental health act changed due to the introduction of new protocols and a new DSM.

can I ask why you see a pysch if you're having to source privately anyway? if you need it you need it maybe find an actual doctor




 

 

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Cheers bro. I only saw a psych a couple times to attempt to get dex. Won't waste my cash on it again. Docs can't script it, needs to be psych and the only ones that do are private.

 

Re: bp- 

My gf is bp1. She doesn't find that diagnosis useful either. It puts a one minded angle on how GPs, mental health staff and psychs treat you from what I can gather. 

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Hi Acacia,

If you are interested in pursuing a script I have some colleagues that could likely suggest a psychiatrist in your area specialising in ADD that is supportive of your medication preference and respectful of people with a history of substance use. I imagine you would still need to pay for the initial and periodic consults (maybe every 3 months or something) but there are a lot of advantages to having an above board source. PM me if you're keen and I'll chase it up.

Funnily enough I have BP1 and my partner has ADD. The teleheath changes have meant some of our private consults are covered by the PBS when they were not previously. I'm not an expert in how it works but if this was the case for you too perhaps you could also dodge the consult costs.

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yeh it puts more people than not into a narrow mindset, the whole model for diagnosis is whack there is generations worth of proof now how fucked up psychiatry is. I still get the stench of the stigma follow me into certain social circles....

it was literally the last straw they could grab before had to write me off there book and remove the bogus order because I didn't meet the new criteria for the 2016 mental health act I was just fortunate enough to slip in while the 2007 act so pretty much the paperwork they used to place the order on me expired and they weren't able to renew it because I cleaned my self up.

 

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On 29/06/2020 at 9:08 AM, Acacia said:

It puts a one minded angle on how GPs, mental health staff and psychs treat you from what I can gather. 

 

That really sucks Acacia. In my opinion, good assessment and treatment require an understanding for each client's core strengths, values and own goals. I was always taught that treatment should be a collaborative process between therapist and client. Tbh I think a lot of MH professionals just have their own egos so wrapped up in what they are doing. Many are on power trips and downright unethical in how they approach client issues. In my opinion, the cornerstone of effective treatment is the therapeutic triad - warmth, empathy and genuineness. If you aren't seeing these in your treating practitioner, move on and find someone who does show these but unfortunately it can be hard to find.

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2 hours ago, Cimi said:

 

That really sucks Acacia. In my opinion, good assessment and treatment require an understanding for each client's core strengths, values and own goals. I was always taught that treatment should be a collaborative process between therapist and client. Tbh I think a lot of MH professionals just have their own egos so wrapped up in what they are doing. Many are on power trips and downright unethical in how they approach client issues. In my opinion, the cornerstone of effective treatment is the therapeutic triad - warmth, empathy and genuineness. If you aren't seeing these in your treating practitioner, move on and find someone who does show these but unfortunately it can be hard to find.

 

That's totally true Cimi. The last one I went to spoke to me for 20 minutes, then diagnosed me with Bipolar and scripted me Lithium rather than giving me the ADD medications he specialised in. Totally ridiculous as I'm not BP and have had confirmation of that from numerous practitioners. 

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I mean anyone worth their salt should also know that "diagnosis" of mental health conditions is highly culture-bound - eg., as DJ said, the significant changes to what's in the diagnostic manual (eg., being gay was in there up until 1987). The idea of what is psychologically "abnormal" is governed by the social norms in which we live and so is changing all the time and can't be generalised universally.

 

With increasing globalisation and exposure to different cultures in our current times we need to be all the more flexible and open in our thinking. Online communities have also created such a massive variety of 'sub-cultures' now. It's reductionist to simply focus on what is normal or abnormal. Labels can help descriptively as a shorthand measure but people with the same "diagnosis" can be very different, and often different things will work for them.

 

I think the kind of pigeonholing behaviour you are describing from MH professionals can also come from burnout or fear - it allows them to stay disengaged because maybe aspects of the client's presentation are threatening in some way, or they fear that genuinely engaging will make them vulnerable. It's a shame so may of them seem to have such weak egos! They certainly need more exposure to different people, cultures and practices. I think there is a lot of attachment to the 'expert' role and they are often uncomfortable with breaking this down in any way.

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