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I've heard about Matucana pach's, including Ogun and want to know where to find seeds.

 

What named pach clones may originate from Matucana or would rival these Pachanoi? Tia

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Herbalistics sells matucana pach seeds and cuttings/seedlings.

 

LMP legendary matucana pachanoi, is another similar to ogun.. maybe the same :)

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Thanks! Yeah theyve been out of stock for a while and seeing if i can get them elsewhere otherwise wait until next season.

 

I think Matucana pach in general is supposed to be very sacred as far as I've heard so im sure LMP is similar. Wonder if any other named clones have the same origins.

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The problem with buying these seeds is there's an element of trust you must take to begin with. The seeds change hands a couple of times along the way, so any one of those people could be BS-ing a little or a lot (or not at all).

 

The other major factor is that virtually NONE of these plants were pollinated by hand, and they are all Open Pollinated in an area dominated by T. peruvianus. So yeah, many of these seedlings that have been sprouted are looking quite spiky and are probably pach X peru hybrids. Nothing really wrong with that except that it's a lot of time, money and effort to get some bastardized seed that wasn't specifically what you were looking for.

 

Anyway. There's been plenty of people sprouting these over the last few years so just sit tight and keep your eyes and ears peeled. Ogun is getting around too, so eventually you'll be able to get it, buy it off someone with a solid rep and high number of posts, and been around for years. I'd start saving though, and start getting proficient with the art of propagation etc. You won't wanna be making rookie errors with a $300 snippet of Ogun.

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Yeah makes sense. I will focus on my other guys until i find a good buy and get my grafting skills up. Do you think its all hype or are these as were documented?

 

Is there any easier pach hybrids that i should be looking at? Too many names and i cant find the information on what makes these clones unique

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Ogun was the subject of a single analysis, for a study exploring this very issue. It showed high levels of alks. But as for many hype clones, they're too valuable for experimenting with. Most people plan to sell a couple first, just to recoup the crazy money they spent on it. Can take years before someone decides to take the plunge with their hard-earned $$hype$$. So we may not know for a while. Plus people can make up bullshit rumors too, so who knows what to believe sometimes.

 

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On 15/04/2020 at 4:58 AM, Halcyon Daze said:

Ogun was the subject of a single analysis, for a study exploring this very issue. It showed high levels of alks. But as for many hype clones, they're too valuable for experimenting with. Most people plan to sell a couple first, just to recoup the crazy money they spent on it. Can take years before someone decides to take the plunge with their hard-earned $$hype$$. So we may not know for a while. Plus people can make up bullshit rumors too, so who knows what to believe sometimes.

 

The thing about Ogun is the cuttings were held for one year prior to testing. 

 

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On 23/04/2020 at 1:12 PM, Habanos said:

The thing about Ogun is the cuttings were held for one year prior to testing. 

 

 

Yes, but I was told from a reliable source that they were grown out for a few months before testing, so it's a bit unclear. I'd love to get that particular point cleared up properly from Trout.

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Also, how many cuts of Ogun were tested?

 

I think at this point we need new test from 5-10 different cuts. (Wishful thinking on my part)

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interesting

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Of more importance to the whole test saga is the question of what was tested. What's it just outer green part, or whole plant. If it was just outer part, I'm sure there are many Aussie clones that will test at similarly high levels. If it was whole plant, well, then that is extraordinary. 

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I think just the outer green part. From the paper: "A fresh sample of chlorenchyma from the green outer cortex of the stem of each Echinopsis species to be assayed..."

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1 hour ago, Wile E. Peyote said:

Thanks, I'd read the paper but that was a long time ago and I couldn't remember a lot of detail.

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I'd take these results with a grain of salt. There seems to have been little to no consistency among growing or harvesting conditions. The TJG specimen (for example) was a light-deprived de-graft grown in cultivation: http://www.cactusconservation.org/CCI/botany/Ogunbodede/02.html. Fair enough, but only if all the other samples were similarly constrained. (Presumably, for the purpose of this study, samples were shipped from various parts of the globe, to compete against endemic varieties grown in situ). 

 

It seems to me the main limitation of the study is the authors' hypothesis that mescaline alone should suffice to explain patterns of shamanic use. T. scopulicola may well have twice the mescaline content of TBM -- but that does not mean that its psychedelic effects are twice as potent, or that it is twice as likely to be prescribed by a shaman. 

 

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The fact that tbm registers so low does not tally with anyone's experience with it!

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plus  ogunbodede x lima1 (not seen in pic)

 

 

 

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