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Heyo, does anyone know how to ID phalaris grasses? There's nothing too clear online. If anyone can ID this i would love to hear it:)

Found in coastal NSW near a creek 

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I used to know what that stuff was called, but I've forgotten. I'll try and look it up.

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4 minutes ago, Halcyon Daze said:

I used to know what that stuff was called, but I've forgotten. I'll try and look it up.

Thank you!

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Ok it's  botanical name is Setaria palmifolia, aka 'Pleated pigeon grass' or 'Palm grass'. It's actually an invasive weed.

 

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Not to be confused with the similar looking ornamental plant Molineria capitulata  which is also known as Palm grass, (It's a lily not a grass).

 

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Damn, it's pretty though. It looks like what i thought phalaris grass looked like. Thanks for your help though! :) 

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Yes true but there are just soooo many different species of grass. You just can't go by the leaves alone.

 

I had a look at the phylogeny of grasses and the two are quite distantly related despite looking similar and inhabiting the same kinda environments. The Setaria is a millet grass, while Phalaris is more of an oat grass.

 

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here's a nice one

 

 

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its cow fodder,

the side of dirt roads in cattle areas are where i see it the most

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Bad weed - invasive and dominant in coastal subtropical landscapes. Spreading rapidly and degrading new areas. 

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Whats the best way to ID it? I've heard too many different things. I'm currently looking at a patch of grass which looks a lot like what some guy calls Phalaris grass 

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Phalaris grasses contain gramine and and other toxins and are not a recommended source of medicines, unless you have GCMS access testing...  if that was what you were thinking TheMooseZeus

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1 hour ago, Northerner said:

Phalaris grasses contain gramine and and other toxins and are not a recommended source of medicines, unless you have GCMS access testing...  if that was what you were thinking TheMooseZeus

That's not true, especially if you have access to the clones which have been analyzed already, but it's also been established that gramine is not soluble in naptha.

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Sure there are specific clones that have been isolated by people without the undesirable traits. That's different to finding a grass in the paddock.

 

Despite the fact that gramine is insoluble in naptha or similar solvents it is extremely soluble in water and and can form salts that can bond with other precipitated salts, so a re-x is essential. That's not even considering that there could be bufoteniene and 5meo-DMT in a "clean" extract.

 

Like I said, extracting alkaloids from phalaris for medicines without a way to analyse the sample is not recommended.

 

 

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yeah, from what i gather, its best left as a brew of last resort...

 

if you are possessed however, i can send you some seeds, but yeah, don't grow in the wild or let it escape if its not in your area :innocent_n:

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49 minutes ago, AbleKay said:

yeah, from what i gather, its best left as a brew of last resort...

 

if you are possessed however, i can send you some seeds, but yeah, don't grow in the wild or let it escape if its not in your area :innocent_n:

I wouldn't risk it personally, i'm always up to planting seeds but if its any hassle at all for you, you don't need to worry! :)

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yeah, fair enough. the hunt is where the most funs at

 

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I save time by not quoting posts...

 

good info here!

in a nutshell:

forget phalaris, you spot in the wild, many people have worked seriously in this regard, with empty results.

what get's traded at times and is known to be cultivated is quite good, up to surprisingly good!! ;)

gramine, is not very soluble in our favorite solvent, so no problem.

 

somebody writes a book with wrong info, and it takes years to re educate.

 

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