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Are you saying this particular plant 

(from T Mckennas collection supposedly )

is not cabrerana ?

if so are you sure ?

How can we ID it for sure?

from what I can tell ...

leaves look like cabrerana 

vine looks like cabrerana 

?

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Can anyone post a picture 

of a plant that is FOR SURE cabrerana ?

this one 

"walks like a cabrerana 

quacks like a cabrerana ..."

so....is it ?

it and the leaves look like pictures 

that are supposedly cabrerana ...

 

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Also, if a leaf is removed or broken 

there is a subtle smell .

it does not seem to like being overwatered .

since I had some problems with plants sealed in an aquarium , I took the plex cover off.

then moved all but three of the plants

to be with their friend, B Caapi

which I have growing on a section of cattle panel indoors .

i wind the caapi around the fence as it grows...creating a 'caapistry '!

Notice the red and blue shadows

from HPS and MH light sources ...

 

 

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Surely some botanist who named this plant

determined its identifying characteristics

when they classified it ...

am also getting more info from the source.

it does look just like the pix of 'cabrerana '

on the net ...

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BLASPHEMY!!

you DOUBT the miracle of the Chupa Cabrerana?

DON'T WORRY, B. CAAPI!!

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Sirius-ly though

i very much appreciate all info

on this plant 

whether reverent or heretical!

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Ok!

in the interest of science, and trying to positively identify this plant....

( Which the Faithful Believe is the Divine Cabrerana...)

i present theWords of Te Estimated Prophet,

regarding the Divine Origin, of the Virgin Birth of Diplopterys

God of the Seers.

of course, we are mere collectors of the sacred knowledge

never committing any Sin.

Yay! 

The Holy Bringer of the Cabrerana,

hath spake thusly on its origins.....

Let Him who hath eyes to see, ....Hear these Words,...in symbol form....

"The D. cab.showed up growing at the base of a Rollinia tree one day after a guy I used to hire for labor placed it there without asking me.  When I asked what the hell it was he gave me a story that it was a vine type of Chacruna that was 10 tens stronger than Psychotria and had come from Terrance McKenna's place.  After some research I figured out what it was scientifically and started to propagate some.  A few people here seemed to know what it was and purchased a few plants.  Otherwise it drew little interest until....(Shonman arrived)

 
Because of the path the plant took here I assume it is what it is supposed to be but I have spoken to no one who has used it and I do not do Ayahuasca myself.  If I need to speak with multidimensional space aliens I can figure out how to do that without vomiting or crapping in my shorts.
 
As far as how cuttings are done:  I cut 4" to 6" pieces of vine, insert them upright in mass into one gallon nursery containers filled with Pro-Mix HP.  The containers are then placed on a nursery table under the edge of a large lime tree until the root out.  At that point I transfer them to indivual 3.5" pots using the same medium but adding some osmocote so they have..."
....end of transmission....
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It seems to have taken like four months for this next batch to root ...

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The weird thing to me is that there seems to be a steady supply of dried leaf to many smartshops of supposed D. cab which does seem to contain DMT in good amounts judging from the reports of bioassays and extractions on some forums.

 

Anyone knows if the foliage that is sold as chaliponga is actual D. cab, and/or who supplies those shops? If it's not diplopterys then what is it? From what I've read it does look different from chacruna and seems more potent.

 

Surely if the supplier is harvesting kilos they might be able to provide cuttings.

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Try to get photos of flowering and seed if you can .. from motherplants if poss..

see if tests on the material you have are runnable ..

 

maybe diplop has different forms - and maybe some equally sexy sisters ..

 

try to see if folk you can ask know anything about tetrapterys methistica if poss?

 

MG I contacted a supplier of the leaf in Canada about that a few years ago, wondering just the same, and they said they didn't know and weren't able to get live plants or cuttings or seeds or info ..

 

damn it took nrly 4 hours to get this to allow me to reply.. anyhoo :3

 

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Flowering....I will check on that....

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The Most High source of the Sacred Cabrerana.....Sayeth :

"So far in this climate the plant does not flower or seed.  It around 6 to 7 years old, perhaps not old enough.  The Yage vine flowers here but refuses to set seed in this environment.  San Pedro is like that in CA, flowers every year but never sets a seed.  Quite a few S. American plants act this way when moved north."

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CA must be a lot bigger and have way more diverse climates than I had previously imagined.. what a beautiful state!

..

there's defo san ped seed from CA finding it's way to the delight of many..

 

At least ya tried and finger's x'd it flowers for you mate.

Edited by ☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ

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Well, someone  said that anonymous botanists,

claim my plant is a diplopterys, but not specifically Cabrerana...

yet they also claim that is has the same activity, so might as well be Cabrerana ..

maybe I will just call it 'chaliponga ' instead...

i would very much like to know exactly what characteristics of my actual plant 

are said to have determined that it might not be Cabrerana...

It looks exactly like all the pix I have seen of Cabrerana....

they said 'T Mckennas plant is not Cabrerana "

what specifically about my plant did they determine that by?

was it simply that they saw some other McKenna plant, and assumed it was the same?

it looks exactly like Cabrerana ....as far as I can tell from pictures.

can these botanists, step forward and say exactly what they determined that the plant is not Cabrerana by?

i would very much like to know what identifying characteristics they determined this by....

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:) if not cabbie then I wonder which?

This isn't a genus I can find much info on let alone any pics ..

 

The more ya learn the less ya know ..

And this thread you made has been gold dust mate.

Thank you very much indeed.

 

wiki says: -

 

Diplopterys is a genus of plants in the Malpighiaceae family.

There are approximately 45 species within the genus:

    Diplopterys amplectens (B.Gates) W.R.Anderson & C.Davis
    Diplopterys araujei (Schwacke ex Nied.) Nied.[2]
    Diplopterys bahiana
    Diplopterys bracteosa
    Diplopterys cabrerana (Cuatrec.) B.Gates
    Diplopterys cachimbensis
    Diplopterys caduciflora
    Diplopterys carvalhoi
    Diplopterys cristata
    Diplopterys cururensis
    Diplopterys cururuensis
    Diplopterys erianthera
    Diplopterys heterostyla
    Diplopterys hypericifolia
    Diplopterys includens
    Diplopterys involuta
    Diplopterys involuta var. ovata
    Diplopterys krukoffii
    Diplopterys leiocarpa
    Diplopterys longialata (Nied.) W. R. Anderson & C. Davis[3]
    Diplopterys lucida
    Diplopterys lutea
    Diplopterys marsballiana
    Diplopterys marshalliana
    Diplopterys mexicana
    Diplopterys microcarpa
    Diplopterys nigrescens
    Diplopterys nutans
    Diplopterys paralias
    Diplopterys paralias var. latifolia
    Diplopterys patula
    Diplopterys pauciflora
    Diplopterys pauciflora var. latifolia
    Diplopterys peruviana
    Diplopterys platyptera
    Diplopterys populifolia
    Diplopterys pubipetala
    Diplopterys riparia
    Diplopterys rondoniensis
    Diplopterys rosea
    Diplopterys schunkei
    Diplopterys sepium
    Diplopterys spruceana
    Diplopterys uleana
    Diplopterys valvata
    Diplopterys virgultosa
    Diplopterys woytkowskii

 

at least that's fewer than Virola :)

 

I recall Plant Hunter (one of me fave old SABbers) once said that diplop has a round seed ..

I wonder which one that is too.

 

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Is it ok to compile any Diplop info I come across here ..?

 

like this:-

v1http://www.theplantlist.org/browse/A/Malpighiaceae/Diplopterys/

v2 superseded v1 http://www.theplantlist.org/1.1/browse/A/Malpighiaceae/Diplopterys/

 

https://webapps.lsa.umich.edu/herbarium/malpigh/images/morphpix/frtDiplo.gifhttps://webapps.lsa.umich.edu/herbarium/malpigh/Intro/MorphFruit2.html

https://webapps.lsa.umich.edu/herbarium/malpigh/Photos/StigCladePhoto/DipGallery/DipPhoto1.html

holy heck I never found that many pics last time I dove in to Diplopstudies!

 

..

or shall I make a separate thread mate and a link to this thread there?

 

Oh yeah , perhaps those drip things under the leaf are nectaries?

 

Edited by ☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ
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Your gonna need flowers at the very least....

 

Want a proper ID, gonna have to key it out.

 

[email protected]

 

Edit - Flora Neotropica
Journal Article
Banisteriopsis, Diplopterys (Malpighiaceae)
Bronwen Gates
Flora Neotropica
Vol. 30, Banisteriopsis, Diplopterys (Malpighiaceae) (Feb. 18, 1982), pp. 1-237

 

 

Edit- if it is from a reported sterile line its gonna have to be from a voucher source...

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Thanks all!

i will see what I can figure out from this info, much appreciated!

after some research, I found an interview,

deacribing the exacting technique by which

the natives of the Amazonthemselves,

determine exact taxonomic identities of sacred plants....

"Davis: We call it "trial and error," which is a meaningless euphemism.

The Indians say that the plants told them what to do.
In the 'forties, Schultes reported that there were societies in the northwest Amazon where there were as many as seventeen different varieties of ayahuasca — all of which were referable to one main species. He asked how they were distinguished. The answer? You take the plants on the night of a full moon, when each species sings to you in a different key.

It's an amazing system of taxonomy.

Adams: That's stunning. Do you believe that?

Davis: I absolutely believe that.
 

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8 hours ago, ☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ said:

genus:

    Diplopterys amplectens (B.Gates) W.R.Anderson & C.Davis
    Diplopterys araujei (Schwacke ex Nied.) Nied.[2]
    Diplopterys bahiana
    Diplopterys bracteosa
    Diplopterys cabrerana (Cuatrec.) B.Gates
    Diplopterys cachimbensis
    Diplopterys caduciflora
    Diplopterys carvalhoi
    Diplopterys cristata
    Diplopterys cururensis
    Diplopterys cururuensis
    Diplopterys erianthera
    Diplopterys heterostyla
    Diplopterys hypericifolia
    Diplopterys includens
    Diplopterys involuta
    Diplopterys involuta var. ovata
    Diplopterys krukoffii
    Diplopterys leiocarpa
    Diplopterys longialata (Nied.) W. R. Anderson & C. Davis[3]
    Diplopterys lucida
    Diplopterys lutea
    Diplopterys marsballiana
    Diplopterys marshalliana
    Diplopterys mexicana
    Diplopterys microcarpa
    Diplopterys nigrescens
    Diplopterys nutans
    Diplopterys paralias
    Diplopterys paralias var. latifolia
    Diplopterys patula
    Diplopterys pauciflora
    Diplopterys pauciflora var. latifolia
    Diplopterys peruviana
    Diplopterys platyptera
    Diplopterys populifolia
    Diplopterys pubipetala
    Diplopterys riparia
    Diplopterys rondoniensis
    Diplopterys rosea
    Diplopterys schunkei
    Diplopterys sepium
    Diplopterys spruceana
    Diplopterys uleana
    Diplopterys valvata
    Diplopterys virgultosa
    Diplopterys woytkowskii

 

at least that's fewer than Virola :)

 

I recall Plant Hunter (one of me fave old SABbers) once said that diplop has a round seed ..

I wonder which one that is too.

P

Indeed....!

certainly,........ there must be distinguishing characteristics,

that have been determined

for these to be dinstinct varieties....

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Dude I got it from insists it never flowers here.

however, one could perhaps duplicate the light/ time of subsequent seasons from its home environment

and induce flowering that way.

this thing takes forever to root it seems and does not exactly grow fast here in captivity....

maybe it needs higher temps 

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Thanks , ye whose name remains an unpronounceable mystery,

but perhaps sometimes called thunder horse....and water boy for that link too...

oco-yage is what some call Diplopterys.

i wonder if it is just Cabrerana , or all ceremonially appropriate diplopterys?

oco=water

seriously, if this plant is so impossible to have

where do all those stacks of dried leaves we see pix of ...come from?

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Ok here are some images presented by the Royal gardens at Kew

from some universities in the Amazon

of Cabrerana.

these have seeds etc but otherwise ....compare to the photos of mine and the motherplant...

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Thanks for this links you guys!

images of Cabrerana parts....

 

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I wonder if I could get them to flower and produce viable  seeds under timed light

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Hmm....interesting.....natives say...plant tells them what to do.

i will have to incorporate this into my growing tech..l.had not thought of that before.

i did have a certain empathathic type approach, that I use...will apply this new concept...

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