HB02 confusion

[ferret]

 

 

Bit confused about the HB02, my 2012 records indicate it is "spiny scop" x bridgesii, which I had always assumed was from seeds from my cross done at end of 2005, since that is the name I distributed seeds as. Swapped a few hundred with darcy. Not "Super Pedro x psycho0", because the spiny scop (ex-GardenWorld) is certainly distinct from my Super Pedro in it's epidermis and spination. bridgesii pollen donor was absolutely NOT psycho0.

darcy did a "scopulicola x bridgesii" using the same bridgesii pollen that I sent him. From memory his mum was a "spineless scop", but he has deleted his photo.

At the time we made these crosses, we were not aware of anybody intentionally making any scop x bridge crosses.

 

TrichoSeriousEthnobotany also has it as "spiny scop" x bridgesii.
This clone is a Herbalistics.com.au selection from a batch of hybrid seed from Trichocereus bridgesii and a spiny T. scopulicola (Super Pedro), very attractive with a glacous/blue skin in most situations. T. bridgesii is the staminate parent. Fast growing and hardy." ~ Taken from Herbalistics.com.au
https://theoldtrichoseriousethnobotany.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/trichocereus-hb02.html


Now Herbalistics has it described as Super Pedro x psycho0, as well as HB03, HB05, HB07.
(It is important to note that in some descriptions it says Super Pedro x psycho0, others it says psycho0 x Super Pedro but then indicates that bridgesii is the staminate parent, i.e. pollen donor.)

The clone HB02 is a Herbalistics selection from a batch of Trichocereus ‘Super Pedro’ x ‘Psycho0’ seedlings. 
http://herbalistics.com.au/product/trichocereus-hb02-cactus/
The HB03 clone is a Herbalistics selection from a batch of hybrid seed from Trichocereus bridgesii ‘Psycho0’ x ‘Super Pedro’; very attractive with a glaucous/blue skin in most situations. T. bridgesii is the staminate parent. 
http://herbalistics.com.au/product/trichocereus-hb03-plant/
Trichocereus HB05 is a Herbalistics selection from a batch of Trichocereus ‘Super Pedro’ x ‘Psycho0’ seedlings; very attractive with short spines, a rough feel to the skin and good disease resistance in the subtropics. Fast growing and hardy. A sister of HB02.
http://herbalistics.com.au/product/trichocereus-hb05-plant/
The HB07 clone is a Herbalistics selection from a batch of Trichocereus ‘Super Pedro’ x Trichocereus bridgesii ‘Psycho0’ seedlings we grew in the mid 2000s.
http://herbalistics.com.au/product/trichocereus-hb07-cactus/

this HB07 pic is actually named spinyscopxbridgesii2
http://herbalistics.com.au/spinyscopxbridgesii2/

Due to consumers enthusiasm for named clones, I'd imagine "Super Pedro x psycho0" would sell much better than "spiny scop x bridgesii".

BUT if it is grown from seeds from the cross that I did in 2005, neither Super Pedro or psycho0 was used in the breeding.

So, did anyone make a Super Pedro x psycho0 cross in the mid 2000's?
Anybody else got HB02 down as spiny scop x bridgesii or did I screw up?

Edited August 16, 2016 by ferret

[tarenna]

Yo Fez.. Hope all is good. Might be worth checking with the d-man himself. He should have some recollection or record of these matters. 

 

go well

[katu]

Yes confusion being the key word here... My records which would of been taken from Darcy's web site at the time of purchase(some years back) read something like this.

 

"This clone is a Herbalistics selection from a batch of hybrid seed from Spiny scopulicola x T.bridgesii", T.bridgesii is the staminate parent. Fast growing and hardy." Darcy also stated at that time in the HB02 description that Spiny scopulicola is synonymous with both Super Pedro and Shaman Bob..

 

Where as now HB02 is listed as Super Pedro x Psycho0??

 

I have wondered about this myself to be honest...

 

 

Edited August 16, 2016 by katu
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[ferret]

got this reply from herbalistics, seems my confusion was warranted and I would consider it a misnomer with regards to both parents naming HB02&05 as "Super Pedro x psycho0"
Herbalistics I did check some old labels and the HB02 is a spiny scop X bridgesii, as is HB05. HB03 would be one of PDs crosses and HB07 is too, though I will double check that one later. Have you got any pics of 'spiny scop' at all? I'd assume that got lumped under super Pedro at some stage. Also ferret sent me psycho0 pollen to cross with a scop flower I had hence assumed bridgesii was that