Does anyone know the personalities of chacruna and ayahuasca?

[Meditator]

Im wondering if anyone has like gone to the Amazon and participated in ayahuasca ceromonies and got to know the plant spirits.
Theres much written about aya, but basically nothing on chacruna.

Im interested in terms of strength and vibration mainly, and would like to know if chacruna is more masculine feminine or androgynous.

Any information would be appreciated.

[courage]

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Edited May 31, 2016 by courage

[courage]

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[Mapacho]

Chacruna definitely has a more feminine energy, but that's all sensible as it is the female aspected part of Oni (shipibo for aya).  The vine is the masculine element.  Legend of the shipibo has it that oni grew from a reknowned maestro's body, as a "way" to continue teaching and chacruna from his wife.  In the brews with more chancruna there was definitely a stronger feminine component.

I have 28 ceremonies experience and I would say that I am only just getting to "know" the plants and finding myself able to hold a working relationship of sorts but the experience is often dependent on the shaman.  A female shaman (maestra) will work with feminine aspect and a maestro will work with the masculine.  I am cautiously confident that oni is actually androgenous at heart,  illusory in form as any "enlightened" being would be, unconditioned by sex and free of duality.  But these elements are useful in healing and the mother aspect is very common be it in animal or plant form.  I had deeply feminine interaction with the chakruna element and deeply masculine interaction with the ayahuasca vine or "Oni" in shipibo but I would say the shaping by the Ikaros played a very strong part in this.  They described it like she is the MD of the hospital and actually many other plant teachers are called to work in that space, each having their own qualities or specialities, and representations through gender.

Strength and vibration depend from brew to brew and largely on the age of the vine for sure.         

[Fenris]

I couldn't comment on chacruna specifically but the spirit of Aya showed herself to me when I was in Peru as the character of Pilar from For Whom The Bell Tolls.

From http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/belltolls/canalysis.html

Pilar

 

Arguably the most colorful and likable character in For Whom the Bell Tolls, Pilar embodies the earthiness, strength, and wisdom of the Spanish peasantry. A large, robust, part-gypsy woman, Pilar exercises great influence over the band of guerrilleros—in fact, we quickly become aware that Pablo leads the band in name only. The strong and stable Pilar provides the motivating force behind many of the novel’s events. She pushes Robert Jordan and Maria’s romance, commands the allegiance of the guerrilla fighters, and organizes the guerrilleros’ brief alliance with El Sordo. She acts as the support structure for the camp as she unites the band of guerrilla fighters into a family, cooks for all, and sews Robert Jordan’s packs. In short, Pilar manipulates the most important characters in For Whom the Bell Tolls and sets in place many of the encounters that drive the plot.

Pilar, though practical, often relies on intuitive, mystical, gypsy folk wisdom. Shrewd and worldly-wise, she claims a deep connection to the primitive forces of fate. She claims to be able to smell death, and she describes the smell in repulsively naturalistic detail. She reads palms and interprets sexual experiences. Despite Robert Jordan’s cynicism, Pilar’s predictions do come true. Pilar exhibits the inevitable sadness that comes with knowledge: “Neither bull force nor bull courage lasted, she knew now, and what did last? I last. . . . But for what?” In the end, the only aspect of Pilar’s personality that seems not to show wisdom is her unswerving commitment to and belief in the Republican side, which ultimately loses the war.

                            

[obtuse]

for what its worth, yes i have been to the amazon and done ayahuasca, but nothing about the experience felt feminine as such.  For me it was a very challenging and difficult experience each time. as with mushrooms, there was a whole group of "entities" for lack of a better term, but none felt like you could apply a gender, this was a state where that doesnt matter anymore.  The only feminine presence during aya was the woman who sat next to me during my second experience while i was reduced to clay and rebuilt by the little beings who had lots of fun inspecting and playing with aspects of my mind body consciousness.

 

the only truly feminine plant i have experienced was salvia.  aspects of love and of anger.  its interesting how she entices you intot he experience with her singing.