ThunderIdeal Posted January 19, 2017 Pfft ridiculous. I wish you guys could comprehend your impoverished worldview. There is no point in me replying directly anymore, but I think insults are permitted(/warranted) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThunderIdeal Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) Five minutes of mainstream TV you illiterates, too much to ask? your precious democrats and their allies: That is one brave journo. well unlike most journos, that is ACTUALLY an ACTUAL journo; maybe he feels safer airing this as the democrats leave the white house? Interestingly, wikileaks inmediately tweeted links to this broadcast. Edited January 19, 2017 by ThunderIdeal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DiscoStu Posted January 19, 2017 Ok so Trump will make America great again and if not then let it all fail because that's even better... if america fails my hard on will grow 6 inches. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThunderIdeal Posted January 19, 2017 ^ It will be a domestic catastrophe and ive said all along Trump will be unble to prevent the (damn near) inevitable.... They will blame it on Trump, I warned about that ages ago. Cunts have no idea that there is no soft landing, no possible easy way out of the mess the world is in. So many oblivious cunts are going to regret guzzling all that kool aid when reality sets in. At least the lame duck war president, like the one before him (dubya) couldnt pass the baton. Funny how obama had smooth transition from George, peas in a pod really. Obama spoke of smooth transition then did everything he could to sabotage Trump in his last month. Now at least there is a damn good chance that the endless wars will taper away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LokStok Posted January 19, 2017 Ok so Trump will make America great again and if not then let it all fail because that's even better... And Russia doesn't engage in warfare except in Ukraine, Syria, Turkey, a resurgent cold war with Europe, and their ongoing empire-building led by a power obsessed megalomaniac. Yeah, you're pushing some great logic here... you really should reduce your main stream media intake man. but anyway while your there http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-10/us-military-deployments-map/5875274 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThunderIdeal Posted January 19, 2017 When a Republican hopeful actually colluded with a Eurasian power to get elected http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2017/01/17/foreign-nation-did-interfere-in-us-election-1980.html Its a disgusting story of how Carter was fucked out of a second term. As for 2016 election, many American allies were very outspoken in their praise of Clinton and aspersions toward Trump... (Even the ALP had a go)Far moreso than the occasional measured statements from Russia. This story, and I urge everyone to skim it, illustrates how deceitful our leaders are; even Reagan who was one of the few presidents of the twentieth century with a net positive legacy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sallubrious Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) ^ there's a few notable omissions from that list Lokstok posted too. The battle of Okinawa in WW2 probably should have made the list. The mass exterminations in Indonesia maybe didn't fit the criteria but could have warranted a footnote because of the sheer size of the atrocity and the numbers of people killed. Then there's been literally thousands of quasi official military incursions into South America for various reasons, control of political figures and securing resources, docks, mines etc. Then there's the perpetual CIA/cocaine wars that no-one ever hears about. Russia has a long sordid history too. Recent history has been very tame compared to the days when the union was forged and earlier. If someone did some digging I'm sure they could paint an equally shameful list of Russian atrocities both against foreign powers and their own countrymen. Edited January 19, 2017 by Sallubrious 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThunderIdeal Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) There is a long and sordid history everywhere and the USSR was terrible, it was also the result of a replacement of the ruling class by Bolsheviks which, im gonna be PC now and just say, wow, there are two reasons I wouldn't want Bolsheviks running the joint. Do you believe that the Russian federation 1992-present has used its miltary unnecessarily or whatever? I dont, and im aware of what they say on the news. The Chechen wars would be the closest thing where you could say Russia was overly harsh but there is a repeating idea: foreign powers manipulating russia's neighbours and allies and/or certain danger to ethnic Russian populations. What I heard about these conflicts when they happened was different to how I understand them now. In my opinion, it a shame Russia wasnt ready yet to intervene when NATO destroyed Serbia. Edited January 19, 2017 by ThunderIdeal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThunderIdeal Posted January 20, 2017 (edited) Media outlets on Saturday: OMG Trump first day takes national debt to 20 trillion. Obama spent modestly and kept the figure like six dollars shy of that. Kinda unfair to lambast obama personally but thats how it goes. Also notice the dubya bush ramp (two middle east land wars and surveillance state). Equally terrible amd barely distinguishable presidencies despite opposing political affiliation Edited January 20, 2017 by ThunderIdeal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sallubrious Posted January 20, 2017 (edited) There is a long and sordid history everywhere and the USSR was terrible, it was also the result of a replacement of the ruling class by Bolsheviks which, im gonna be PC now and just say, wow, there are two reasons I wouldn't want Bolsheviks running the joint. Do you believe that the Russian federation 1992-present has used its miltary unnecessarily or whatever? Getting a bit off topic but still relevant. I've posted about this here before. Does anyone remember Peter Beter and his audio letters ? When he spoke/wrote them he was of the firm belief that after the Bolsheviks/industrialists had been kicked out of Russia they took up residence in Europe & the US and installed their puppets in all levels of government especially in the US. He was predicting US aggression against Russia around 40 years ago and he believed there was still the same Russian politics playing out on world stage with the Bolsheviks using installed political puppets to do their bidding from abroad. It's not a great stretch of the imagine to join the dots and see a similar picture to what Beter saw way back then given the information we now have at our disposal. I certainly wouldn't want the Bolsheviks to resume the level of power they once had either, they made Hitler look like an amateur. I believe there have been a few questionable Russian deployments but they are also struggles with their own union, so it's a different type of aggression to US wholesale international scorched earth policies listed in the link above. . Edited January 20, 2017 by Sallubrious 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThunderIdeal Posted January 20, 2017 Aka the khazarian Mafia, maybe a better search term for you in this day of widely distributed conspiracy theories since the term Bolshevik doesnt get much play anymore. Baaaad folk whatever name you use. Far enough outside my knowledge/generation that I couldnt add meaningful input. (i remember Serbia but not the soviet union) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThunderIdeal Posted January 22, 2017 It seems a bit contrived, forced or whatever "without the columns, DO YOU UNDERSTAND?" because it perhaps is. He is referring to the twin columns that masons put in all of their locations, OR, fifth columns which means traitors within (look it up). Maybe this is going out on a limb but he did unexpectedly, rapidly move to court the CIA and he might be saying "you guys are fine, except for the bad apples". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThunderIdeal Posted January 22, 2017 https://www.rt.com/news/374613-sydney-trump-sky-protest/ Pretty funny given that: 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThunderIdeal Posted January 22, 2017 Authored by Peggy noonan, a mainstream journalist who has neither boarded the Trump train (still empkoyed after all) nor continued writing utterly biased crap on the issue. https://archive.is/BBtuN It is about trumps inauguration speech. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stonewolf Posted January 23, 2017 While I don't know that I'm a fan of Trump, I do like that he manages to say things that "you can't say that!". Not because I agree with him but rather because it's absurd that we have reached a point where so many topics are off limits. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paradox Posted January 24, 2017 This is't about trump but it is definitely related.. at least in my mind. It's just a little piece about the recent Italian reform votes & one guys disillusionment with the 'liberal' movement or whatever people would like to call it.. The horror of seeing something you once were identified with from outside of its ownecho chamber bubble.. I feel it's a mistake to hold any opinions too strongly & identify with any rigid standpoint but I can can definitely relate to this guys standpoint in recent times.. i dont really have the time or inclination to articulate my perspective here.. Mostly because the world is so bipolar I don't feel any perspective is that relevant as it will more than likely change by the time I've finished writing down my thoughts.. I'm sure there are better pieces which articulate this out there but I just read this so here ta go.. https://qz.com/866727/filter-bubbles-and-facebok-why-so-many-people-hate-the-liberal-elite/?utm_source=kwfb&kwp_0=317810 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThunderIdeal Posted January 24, 2017 Cue for yeti to chime in? Leftism has become the tool of the elite and funny enough a tool for reduction not protection of personal freedoms (in some ways). Its a confusing mess and cant accurately be rendered into a one-size-fits-all dichotomy. "I smoke plants therefore I approve of high taxes to fund government handouts". (Instead of welfare state I might call it trailer-baby state.) I dont like conservatism (I have to cringe through my preferred sources at times!) but recognise that it is better equipped to provide a functional society in the challenging times confronting us, also while conservatives often undermine their own principles at least they havent gone off the fucking rails completely. conservatism is joined at the hip with Christianity which I dont approve, but I recognise that western Civilisation for many centuries has been a Christian Civilisation and I actually feel like their values are solid enough that even as a science and philosophy loving psychedelic lunatic, I can accept that a Christian society isnt too bad at all. Paradox, that your perspective changes is commendable. Imagine being so intellectually dishonest you couldnt comprehend that you might be wrong and wouldnt admit it if you were. BTW unions are falling in behind Donald Trump 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paradox Posted January 24, 2017 I've never felt I identified strongly with any particular movement or political standpoint or subculture.. But certainly I always have taken for granted that by default I would consider myself well on the left of the spectrum & by most standards I definitely am.. But I don't even know what 'left' is any more.. People have gone full retard.. Btw if that word offends you I'm sorry that you are so retarded.. It must be tough being like that.. if you can manage to detach & like George Carlin would say, have no stake in the outcome, the world is just hilarious in an extremely tragic way right now.. The biggest mistake you could make us to expect any of it to make any sense. Best just watch as our global reality soup eats itself alive & hope this long drawn out rebirthing into some unknowable future state doesn't entail too much truly unbearable carnage.. At the end of the day I think trump is probably the least of the worlds worries tbh.. & histerical leftists would do well to realise they have done as much or more to manifest this bazaar reality as anyone 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sagiXsagi Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) wow TI>> you certainly sound a lot like right-wing idiots all around the world that are glad for Trump, as if Trump would give a fuck about them... Or should I say the KKK idiots? you also sound like you are in USA. have you dudes understood this is the president of another country? well, I always thought oz is greatly influenced culturally, but seriously anyone non-american so enthousiastic about Trump would better get as life or even better go join some neo-fascist local group. Same goes for Russia lovers... What do you idiots think this is, a footbal match?? "Leftism has become the tool of the elite" lol, this sounds like something alt-right , fascists and neo-nazis would say.. what an irony, to blame leftism at a time when capitalism collapses !!! Fuck your fucking god, fuck christianity and fuck conservatives and fuck you (yeah you TI) Boy dont you hate it when each fucking idiot has an opinion on a war that's happening in the other side of the planet? I knew I shouldn't come here PS: well said paradox, world is so chaotic tragic and funny at the same time, and unpredictable, that only idiots, fascists and fanatics are certain they are right. Edited January 24, 2017 by sagiXsagi 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sagiXsagi Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) world's bi-polar and TI is the manic state. what am I you ask?? I am the cunt sitting in the middle drinking beer and calling you names like an ignorant idiot or a conscious neo-fascist. Edited January 24, 2017 by sagiXsagi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nothinghead Posted January 24, 2017 you also sound like you are in USA. ... well, I always thought oz is greatly influenced culturally, "Leftism has become the tool of the elite" lol, this sounds like something alt-right , fascists and neo-nazis would say.. what an irony, to blame leftism at a time when capitalism collapses !!! You'd be shocked how Americanised Australia is, at least in the city centres, and more significantly in terms of mediascape and politics. I'm talking gobsmacked. It's as if a significant section of our population has forgotten where they live (so we've started waving flags around to remind ourselves - another Americanism). It's in our language, our attitudes, our values, economy, and policies, to list a few of the ways the US has insinuated itself here. Meanwhile we've been worried about Chinese investors. On your second point, I can only imagine that people who equate leftism with elitism and erosion of rights think leftists are defined by the whiny PC identity politics crowd so ubiquitous in online discussion. And maybe it is now, by numbers/presence. But IMO that crap doesn't equate with the fundamental theories and actions of political leftism that worked for universal suffrage, workers rights (including abolishing child labour and getting you your weekend leave), and other policies that benefit everyone, instead of just the elites. It's a shame leftism today seems to be perceived as sitting somewhere between authoritarian murderers and uni students who haemorrhage at any mention of ... well... anything. But I do understand that as with any ideologies there are extremes, and the extremes are far, far more obvious than the middle ground, and those looking from a distance are only going to register the most obvious, glaring, and exaggerated parts of anything. IMO we need the compassionate, socialist ideology of the left now more than in the last 50 years, in an increasingly inequitable global political ecology. We don't need the leftists who are going to be mortally offended by Paradox's post. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThunderIdeal Posted January 24, 2017 Wealth redistribution is precisely what I oppose ^ Sagi Maybe YOUR countrymen could have taken more of an interest in international affairs. I dont know, maybe you wouldnt be in that mess? Knowledge is power and im not so interested in the clash of ideologies as A. How is this going to go down B. How to defy the enemy Any ideology can be co-opted and twisted Look at the wonderful leftist agenda George Soros has been implementing around the world for decades and the wonderful results Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Halcyon Daze Posted January 24, 2017 Here is our tree That primitively grows And when you go to bed Scarecrows from the far east Come to eat Its tender fruits And I thought the best way to perfect our tree Is by building walls Walls like unicorns In full glory And galore And even stronger Than the walls of Jericho But glad then my friend Out in the field we shall reap a better day What we have always dreamt of having Are now for the starving It is love, that is the root of all evil But not our tree And thank you my friend For trusting me Hallelujah (Hallelujah) Hallelujah money (Past the chemtrails) Hallelujah money (Hallelujah money) Hallelujah money (Hallelujah money) Hmmm Hallelujah money (Hallelujah) Hallelujah money (Oooh) How will we know? When the morning comes We are still human How will we know? How will we dream? How will we love? How will we know? Don't worry, my friend If this be the end, then so shall it be Until we say so, nothing will move Ah, don't worry It's not against our morals It's legal tender Touch, my friend While the whole world And whole beasts of nations desire Power When the morning comes We are still human How will we know? How will we dream? How will we love? How will we know? (Hallelujah money) Hallelujah money (Past the chemtrails) Hallelujah money (Hallelujah money) Hmmm Hallelujah money (Hallelujah money) Hallelujah money (Oooh) Hallelujah money Hallelujah money Hallelujah Hallelujah money! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
