trump minus bannon

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2 hours ago, ThunderIdeal said:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/foreign-affairs/taxpayers-75m-to-clinton-foundation/news-story/0d42d915182072cd3f208d7906f4bc02?nk=2bd7dc8c17440de14b0f84347eacc7a6-1465683549

 

 

 

Subscriber only it appears

[ThunderIdeal]

52 minutes ago, Bigred said:

Its 3 minutes to midnight .I reckon if Drumphf gets  in it will be 1 minute to midnight

 

Why?

 

hmmm on further thought i can imagine why you think that, because early in his campaign he talked about blowing the shit out of ISIS and such things.  his statements have shifted a long way since then.

 

its pretty obvious at this point that trump began his campaign with the most outlandish comments to gain attention in a packed field, also his audience was republican party supporters and the republican party likes to beat the war drum (the dems have a more polite approach to war which is potentially even worse but i don't care about that distinction right now).

 

hillary will inflame tensions even further with rival powers china and russia, that's practically a foregone conclusion, meanwhile a russian senator has announced that a trump win would go a long way to easing tensions.

Edited June 12, 2016 by ThunderIdeal

[ThunderIdeal]

24 minutes ago, Responsible Choice said:

 

Subscriber only it appears

 

i'm not sure why it let me read it once i certainly don't have any murdoch subscriptions

 

if the headline raises eyebrows (and it should) interested readers can do some digging of their own, but apparently the next biggest contributor was saudi arabia and i kind of feel like nothing more needs to be said; they are one of if not the most detestable nations on earth and we outdid them at something

Edited June 12, 2016 by ThunderIdeal
semicolon :D

[DiscoStu]

it may be 3 minutes to midnight but more because state backed ngo's are running around the world deposing democratically elected governments purely for the purpose of forwarding NATO's pecuniary interests.

 

remind me how many country's donald trump has destroyed again? vs shitlery and the US political establishment, that is

[Bigred]

Well I just see it this way he has failed at most of his brands like trump airlines ,trump vodka, trump steaks,

etc etc its a long list of failures . So in business its ok to fail but when a whole countries GDP is at stake

I think the odds are going to be failure again . In my comment 3minutes to midnight I heard him quote

"whats the point of nuclear weapons if we're not going to use them" I don't know if this was in refferance

to nuclear disarmament or to use the weapons themselves .I'm sitting on the fence with this one as I think

we should be more worried about our own government .As they have the tendency to mimic the states .

But with claims of wanting to stop lots of world trade mainly with China could cause devastating effects to

the world economy. Plus the wall do you know how expensive that will be to produce and maintain .I just see

a lot of his ideas as insanity but that being said he does have some ideas i like

[courage]

Looks to me like a pawn changing its ways.

[ThunderIdeal]

Or another interpretation could be that his unbelievable rise against all odds was due to his being more cunning than most people give him credit for.

[ThunderIdeal]

 

Guess who funded a fifth of her campaign?

[Bigred]

Do you think either of them will change the gun laws?

 

[ThunderIdeal]

Trump will defend the second amendment.  He will do far more than obama towards acknowledging and combating Islamic extremism in the states.  There are so many guns in America that gun controls can only ensure that violent criminals dont need to fear encountering an armed victim.

[Strontium Dawg]

I'm no longer undecided. Trump is bad.

More of the same is bad, but you don't cure cancer with syphilis. 

[ThunderIdeal]

No, radiation gets better results.  Very handy.  I cant really respond Cuz you didnt really say anything.

[ThunderIdeal]

Trump is awesome by the way.

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1 hour ago, Glaukus said:

I'm no longer undecided. Trump is bad.

More of the same is bad, but you don't cure cancer with syphilis. 

 

Literally lol'd at that

[freakazoid]

I think Trump needs to do something about the guns with scopes and decent range.... If ya know what i mean....

[ThunderIdeal]

Mate you are dead right about that.

[nothinghead]

Anyone who can narrow down what they mean by being "American" and "Unamerican," and what the value of being "American" actually is?

 

While you're at it, also give some info about the period "when America was great." Was it pre-USA America, when native peoples were being cheated, disenfranchised, and slaughtered and invaders were consolidating their mini-empires? Or the Civil War period when the South fought to protect their privileged and oppressive way of life whilst the North sought to capitalise on the benefits of cheap or free labour and the industrial boom, meanwhile avoiding taxes whereever possible and cementing the idea in American culture, which lead to numerous acts of aggression on foreign soil, that individual gain should always be prioritised over social/communal good? Or maybe post Civil War, with Jim Crow, lynchings, continuing aggression towards Native Americans ("Indian Wars"), the introduction of discriminatory immigration laws (esp. against Mexicans and East Asians), and all the rest of it. Or during the WWII period when they placed some of their own, foreign-lookin, citizens in internment camps, grew wartime industries into global markets and warred more or less constantly since, which has conveniently kept these destructive industries massive and powerful and reinforced the US' economic position at the top.

 

I'm being polemical, but I honestly don't see a "once great America" that some fuckwit racist neolib businessman like Trump can perform some atavistic cultural-economic rite on and recover.

[ThunderIdeal]

I dispute that he is racist or neolib.  Also, history is bloody horrendous wherever you look, America is a country that has provided much of the forward impetus in that regard.  People flocked to America from around the entire world, so I find the question "when was America ever great?" somewhat, I dunno, not worth my time, but I will give it a crack at a more convenient time.

 

Can he fix America, only if he's a wizard I guess, which he isn't, so I guess that makes him an asshole.

 

More another day.

[nothinghead]

>history is bloody horrendous wherever you look, America is a country that has provided much of the forward impetus in that regard.  People flocked to America from around the entire world

 

Yep, it is. Which is why I don't think it makes sense to take an entire nation, with all its historical baggage, and say "hey, that was a great time, let's recreate it." People flocked to lots of places, that doesn't make them utopias. People flocked to Australia while the worst parts of our history were being played out. Migrations are about people flocking to where they see resources.

 

What makes him an arsehole isn't that he can't fix the US, it's stuff like this:

 

Trump’s real estate company, of which he was president at the time, was sued twice for discrimination against black tenants or prospective tennants. He has no problem with Klansmen and other organised racists openly supporting his campaign. He’s insinuated that Native Americans who wear suits or own businesses aren’t real Indians. He said of some campaign supporters, who bashed a homeless Latino man because “all these illegals need to be deported,” that they were passionate about wanting the country to be great again (same rhetoric some here have swallowed). He’s claimed to have said “I’ve got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.”

 

Here’s some confirmed quotes:

 

"The Mexican government is much smarter, much sharper, much more cunning. And they send the bad ones over because they don’t want to pay for them. They don’t want to take care of them."

"When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with [sic] us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

 

As for not being neoliberal, he talks tough about wanting to stop TPP (as it currently looks) and renegotiate NAFTA, but look at his actions. His own businesses manufacture overseas, in the very countries he spouts the most virulent rhetoric about - Mexico and China. Talk is fine, but actions speak louder than words and Trump’s actions are at odds with his platform. His tacit promise to reinvigorate US manufacturing seems to be little more than a populist appeal to the lower classes. He has outright stated that he is for free-trade, he just wants the US to profit even more than it has done from it. Let’s not forget that this is a man who has, without a hint of shame or sarcasm, stated that you can never be too greedy.

 

EDIT: Something I want to add is what pisses me off about Trump's rhetoric about bringing manufacturing back to the US to make it great again is that he pretends to be oblivious that for the US to be competetive on the domestic and international market for mass manufactured products it'll have to, to a large extent, emulate currently competitive nations like China. Which means they'll either need a LOT more Mexicans (preferably paperless), or to cut domestic wages, conditions, and regulations to something close to par with China. But a race to the bottom is rarely a bad thing for those right at the top.

Edited June 15, 2016 by hashslingr

[ThunderIdeal]

I appreciate your post as it gives me something to think about and it seems your opinion is formed on more than an msm IV drip.  If im honest, im itching to respond to parts of it but it will have to wait and I think in many ways i'll agree to disagree.  For a quick bit of context though, I believe the economic stability we have known for decades will expire any day now so its more a matter of who will captain the ship while it sinks and which heading the lifeboats will choose.  So, at this point, political correctness doesn't interest me a great deal and the same is obviously true of many Americans.  Im not guilty that im white and I think equality is a great cause but its implementation by dipshit world leaders can be very harmful but more importantly perhaps it shouldnt be at the top of the agenda.  Preferencing Jews to handle your money instead of black guys (or any non jew!) I would call that noticing a pattern, or something.  Jews tend to be good with money.  Not racism in my opinion, just a fact which by some ideologies is forbidden to be alluded to.

Edited June 15, 2016 by ThunderIdeal

[ThunderIdeal]

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2016/06/16/something-going-worse-thought/

[ThunderIdeal]

 

look at that evil peice of shit

 

 

 

the saudi king is also a worthless evil fuck

[ThunderIdeal]

On 15/06/2016 at 8:42 PM, hashslingr said:

As for not being neoliberal, he talks tough about wanting to stop TPP (as it currently looks) and renegotiate NAFTA, but look at his actions. His own businesses manufacture overseas, in the very countries he spouts the most virulent rhetoric about - Mexico and China. Talk is fine, but actions speak louder than words and Trump’s actions are at odds with his platform. His tacit promise to reinvigorate US manufacturing seems to be little more than a populist appeal to the lower classes. He has outright stated that he is for free-trade, he just wants the US to profit even more than it has done from it. Let’s not forget that this is a man who has, without a hint of shame or sarcasm, stated that you can never be too greedy.

 

 

 

free trade is a good thing.  free trade agreements?  probably more of a plutocratic orgy.  hard to say when they are so secretive, or maybe that says it all?  repealing free trade agreements doesn't make him against free trade, it makes him awesome (if he actually does it).  sanders got a lot of his support by opposing free trade agreements too.  i'll quickly mention that the democratic national committee conspired with the presstitutes to place hillary as dem nominee OVER A YEAR AGO so they really fucked old bernie there.  it's a shame, i don't like socialism one bit but at least bernie was an outsider, and like trump (don't believe the media) he has been on message for DECADES.  however, he hasn't raised the serious questions and brought them into the public eye like trump has, he hasn't derided US foreign policy.

 

http://www.firstrebuttal.com/let-me-show-you-why-trump-is-right-on-trade-agreements/

 

trump has talked about protectionist policies too, i dunno, that is not exactly free trade, but i'm not opposed to it either.  whether it will be good for america remains to be seen, or if he even enacts it... but if a government wants to play that game fine, it could bite them in the ass.

 

is it fair to criticise what he wants to do as a political leader based on his actions as a businessman?  remember, many of his competitors in business probably have far better connections and far more influence over government than he so, like most of us, he has to try and succeed when the rules, the playing field, are designed to favour others.  it's quite possible that he's nowhere near as rich as he claims, but either way i don't see him as a well connected fatcat the likes of which usually fund election season and make the rules.  of course he struggles to retain and grow his wealth, he's an outsider.  now if we really want to play "actions speak louder than words" i could talk about hillary, who is supposedly going to make life a bit easier for the average american, hillary who is so deep in the pockets of banks and business interests she couldn't climb out if she tried. 

 

she is a woman though, so that counts for something in a libtard sort of a way.  the media will be on that don't worry.

 

 

she does have a lot of baggage, i'm not sure how she fits all the bodies in there.

 

so, i dunno, much of your post deals with stuff that horrifies liberals in which case i'm sure the american media is all over it.  they've got teams of journalists digging up dirt on trump and that's all they can come up with:  things he got up in front of a camera and said, which they don't like.  i'm not gonna get into this messy stuff, you either feel these are crucial issues or like me you think they're blown out of proportion when it suits a political agenda.

Edited June 18, 2016 by ThunderIdeal

[Halcyon Daze]

Would you really regard him as being fit to lead a country? He's a successful salesman FFS, - the most untrustworthy of them all.

 

Don't take this too seriously dude

 

 

Edited June 19, 2016 by Halcyon Daze

[Halcyon Daze]