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On 10/16/2017 at 0:30 PM, ThunderIdeal said:

Remember how botanika used to talk about a redheaded race existing at all these different locations?

 

I'm not sure of the original context but there are pockets of freckled, redheaded natives around the world, including northern Australia.

I'm pretty sure the consensus around these groups is that they were the result of shipwrecked Spanish sailors.

 

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Yeah thats quite likely, but not what botanika was talking about.

 

I recall accusing him of some kind of white supremacist angle, yes thats how much of a dumbass i was. 

 

Again this is early human not origin of humans, but im convinced there was a previous civilisation to the ones we know and if @botanika was right, they were predominately ranga and either post or pre catastrophe they travelled around the globe leaving traces of higher technology

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please enlighten us what you're talking about 

 

thunder, you link is very interesting and consistent with otehr recent findings of hominids other than Homo found in europe .... 

 

and you wondered why they called it the old world... 

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On 10/23/2017 at 10:17 AM, ThunderIdeal said:

Again this is early human not origin of humans, but im convinced there was a previous civilisation to the ones we know and if @botanika was right, they were predominately ranga and either post or pre catastrophe they travelled around the globe leaving traces of higher technology

 

 

Have you read The Atlantis Blueprint?

if not you probably should ,-)

"A spellbinding blend of history and science, scholarship and speculation, this landmark work presents startling new evidence that traces archaeology's most enduring mysteries back to the lost civilization of Atlantis....
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and theres another book by the same author relating theories of Atlantis to Neandethals, just in case the above is a tad off topic ,)

https://www.amazon.com/Atlantis-Kingdom-Neanderthals-Years-History/dp/1591430593/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_14_t_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=3P9SP32FG0YZ1FJENE8M&dpID=51yo3vps37L&preST=_SY291_BO1,204,203,200_QL40_&dpSrc=detail

 

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This is taking it back a fair way but I thought it was interesting to hear that mammals were originally nocturnal. Can we still attribute some of our nocturnal quirks to our distant past.

 

https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2017/11/mammals-literally-came-out-of-the-dark-once-the-dinos-were-gone/

Mammals Literally Came Out Of The Dark Once The Dinos Were Gone
 

The first mammals emerged during the reign of the dinosaurs, adopting a nocturnal lifestyle to stay safe. It was only until the dinosaurs were wiped off the face of the planet that certain mammals began to assert themselves during the daylight hours, according to new research.

 

Both of the phylogenic timelines constructed by the researchers pointed to the same conclusion: mammals switched over into diurnal mode only after the dinosaurs were gone. The change was gradual, however, requiring millions of years of evolution; the "big switch" happened at some point between 52 to 33 million years ago (that's a big window, even for evolutionary biology).

"We were very surprised to find such close correlation between the disappearance of dinosaurs and the beginning of daytime activity in mammals, but we found the same result unanimously using... alternative analyses," explained lead author Roi Maor in a statement.


 

 

 

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Well even though it was mentioned before in this thread I had forgotten about it and re-discovered it these days.

 

Homo naledi is so exciting, especially after the 2017 dating and finding of a second site like the first one. I expect those that are interested in the topic must have read up on this by now, but the research is ongoing, so maybe not all of you are up - to - date 

 

well here's the wiki article again

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_naledi

 

"So where does H. naledi fit within the overall picture of human evolution in Africa? It’s still unresolved. Berger et al. suggested three scenarios: First, H. naledi belongs to one of the lineages leading to H. habilis, H. rudolfensis, H. floresiensis, and A. sediba. Alternatively, H. naledi is younger - a sister lineage to the clade that contains H. erectus and the big-brained later hominins (including H. sapiens). The final scenario is that H. naledi is even younger still - a sister lineage to H. sapiens. Another possibility is that H. naledi is the result of hybridisation between two or more lineages, perhaps one related to humans and one related to Australopithecines."  

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/may/23/homo-naledi-genome-will-we-ever-find-this-elusive-key-to-human-evolution

 

I aso want to thank the dude that pointed me to John Hawks, I suggest you guys check out his blog, he is very actively connected to all the naledi research, I am so glad this very scientist is involved.. but he got articles on anything related allaround. He is open and he is sharing lots of cool stuff in the blogs posts.. John Hawks is THE site to follow

http://johnhawks.net/weblog/reviews/early_modern/africa/african-origins-three-insights-2019.html

 

How smart naledi was? a paper on cranium 

https://www.pnas.org/content/115/22/5738

 

on the new paradigm that rising star project brings to the science 

"“The success of Rising Star’s policy of open access means that it will be harder for paleoanthropologists in the future to not be more open with their data,” Throckmorton said. “They might not be open to the same level as the naledi project, but they will be more open. There’s been a shift in expectations about publishing fossils.”

https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/12/the-cradle-of-open-access-rising-star-digs-for-more-than-fossils-with-its-work/

 

I was also reading the wiki page on neanderthals extinction these days. wow origins or homo related pages in wiki are changing with an impressive pace! 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal_extinction

 

Keep it up, what exciting times!

 

 

 

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more on the consequences of Dali man being a sapiens, not erectus, like Insequents above link:

https://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-magazine/long-reads/article/2154934/how-fossils-found-asia-could-rewrite-history

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dali_Man

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Men are from the stars, before the flood reduced us to the stone age Again, eh eh

Evolution is not upward, its like a wave, up n down

we need to be calm to see the truth, Evolution of spirit is the goal

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