Myrtillocactus geometrizans monstrosa variations

[sagiXsagi]

^^^^^^^ "elite" , dense crest

the "other" normal form

Edited November 23, 2015 by sagiXsagi

[sagiXsagi]

could they fucken be the same???

[BedOSpines]

Cool plants need to find me a Myrtillocactus geometrizans

cv. FUKUROKURYUZINBOKU

[wert]

love myrtillos. its just a shame they brown and callus in time.

[Derkshaman]

I'd agree that there are at least 2 (widespread) monstrosa clones, besides cv. FUKUROKURYUZINBOKU.

I have the reverting column->crested clone, and it is very different. The crests never get anywhere close to as dense as the clone in your pictures!

The 'Elite' is a very cool plant indeed

love myrtillos. its just a shame they brown and callus in time.

Do they always? My father has some pretty big myrtillos, I don't recall much in the way of calluses, but maybe I just didn't notice it.

What about when grown in the some shade?

I also am fond of myrtillocactus. My dad has a big monstrosus that he kinda just neglected... The thing broke through a big plastic nursery pot, into the super hard and sticky clay... and has been thriving ever since. Gets a ton of hard sun, and it just keeps putting out big blue crests. It was one of my first plants to collect.

He's also with a couple mature non-monstrosus, regular form Myrtillo Geomitrizans... They are so big, and it crowds a pathway if not frequently trimmed away. I've tried posting big healthy columns on Craigslist, Free pickup but nobody around seems to be interested and they are often thrown away . In the past, my dad was also throwing away pruned San Pedro columns!

I've started planting a lot of it myself. How do they compare to trichocereus as grafting stocks?

[wert]

in my experience absolutely shit house. but I live in a colder climate.

a tricho will accelerate even in small pot but myrtilies are differant.

I would graft to pc pachanoi any day. super tollerant and responcive to scions.

thats what I think anyway.

wert.

[sagiXsagi]

the FUKUROKURYUZINBOKU (breast cactus) indeed marks a lot, but not the other monstrosa clones or the regular geometrizans. Dont forget this is supposed to be a warm loving cactus that doesnt tolerate much frost. They also can burn relatively easily when transfered from shady to sunny.

As a grafting stock, m geometrizans is for sure ideal to graft any myrti monstrosa form, and especially the slow growing clone (not the dense/elite clone) . I am not big fan of this stock, but that is just me, others love it. I think one should take care of the stocks watering before grafting more than other stock, like selinicereus or trichocereus. if too unwatered or too watered, I feel its harder for the scion to take. And also, it needs a bigger pot to give its maximum growth rate as a stock, compared to trichocereus, and even more to selinicereus, like wert said.

That having been said, grafting on normal myrti is perhaps the best way to propagate the slow growing clone. Grafting this results in the columns reverting to seemingly normal for a while, then they pup from high above.. pups also seemingy normal, at least at first ... I have 3 such grafts and I am letting the pups grow to 15-20 cm, then cut and root. Next, they revert to crest, as those you can see in the pictures I posted..

Derk , show some pics will ya?

TBH, I didn't get what you're saying... my dense crest is different from the 'elite'? or you're just pointing out the two clones are indeed different?

PS: I was being sarcastic about them being the same, post #2. They have to be different, even though the columns and big fans of Myeloblast plant, put my in thoughts... I probably haven't yet seen all from these monsters.

Edited November 23, 2015 by sagiXsagi

[Derkshaman]

Sure, I'll post some pictures next time I that I stop by my dad's place. Should be soon..

Also, I was not trying to say that your clone is different from the elite. Just admiring how different it is from the other common clone of monstrosus myrtillo, the 'elite'/dense clone is much cooler than the type that I have.

[sagiXsagi]

I once saw huge myrti monstrosa of what you call the "more common form" in a nursery I bought lots of cacti wholesale . I actually humourously demanded a free cutting from that plant and Indeed I got a cutting (well not the best, it took ages to start growing as it was a terminated branch). Well that plant was amazing in a bed and not in a pot. I hope I can get back to photograph this one day... In any case, with the "normal" form, not all specimens and cuttings are especially nice - you often have to sculpture your way into a beautiful specimen, and also to wait a bit more..

The denser form can be really beautiful even when very young cuttings and small specimens. They also dont require so large pots to get growing. It also seems that they're rarer overall. I thought they were more common in US and that the "normal" form was rarer over there..

Well , yeah they're beautiful plants with very intense crestatin habit, whereas the other form goes more smoothly and melty when it crests, with much larger fans

[djmattz0r]

There is also another crested form, the strictum crest. I think it is a variation of 'Elite' based on its growth habit and size. It almost looks like a TBMC as it is more smooth and wavy than ribbed, but has the Myrtillo color and spines. These were imported from Italy originally.

Here's a few next to some Elite for a side by side comparison:

Elite that gets cut on a bunch

some Elite crests

a few regular Myrtillo crests, I think the long spined one is different as well?

[sagiXsagi]

awesome. tell more about strictum

[djmattz0r]

That's all I know, it's pretty rare and I haven't really seen it anywhere besides an Italian eBay source.

[gtarman]

I always giggle at cv. FUKUOKAYFURYBONKAZ

[Myeloblast]

Have you had much chance to grow out the strictum clone djmatt? I've been eyeing it on ebay for a while now, lots available from that particular Italian source..wondering how they grow out..

I don't believe the large-spined myrtillo crests are different, they are just from more mature, larger stock plants grown in more sun. The normal Myrtillo's develop huge spines at a certain size with enough sun.

There is at least 1 other seemingly unique myrtillo clone, a spineless columnar form that looks a lot like melting wax TBM. And of course, variegated forms of the regular myrtillo and the crested myrtillo. This is not my photo, or my plant:

Myrtillo's are one of my favorite cacti too, such beautiful specimen cacti and one of the best grafting stocks hands down.

Edited November 26, 2015 by Myeloblast

[Change]

I will get a good laugh, if the TBM is sequenced it turns out to be myrtillo rather then bridgesii

[sagiXsagi]

I don't believe the large-spined myrtillo crests are different, they are just from more mature, larger stock plants grown in more sun.

I agree..

I found the 'strictum' . I am not at all convinced its a different clone from the "dense" , elite. Some parts look different, but they could easily be hardgrown and they are in a small pot...

I found also this guy selling myrti crest seed!! ending in 17 hours!

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/100-Myrtillocactus-geometrizans-CRESTED-seeds-from-different-crested-plants-/191722489427?hash=item2ca38d0653

[zelly]

I found also this guy selling myrti crest seed!!

cheaper here, and claims it grows crested true to form from seeds....

https://www.etsy.com/listing/126178722/ming-thing-myrtillocactus-geometrizans

$4.99 usd

[djmattz0r]

I haven't, Myelo. We just got a flat worth maybe a month or two ago so they've been rooting and just starting to grow well.

I completely forgot about the spineless Myrtillo as well, have heard that one is a cut it and pray that it pups since the aeroles are non-existant/hidden.

[Happyconcacti]

Have ya'll seen the gigantic form of myrtillocactus geometrizans?

It gets abnormally thick branches, like 5" (12cm) to 8" (20cm).

I've only seem them at 2 nurseries in Arizona. Will get a pic or two when I stop by next.

Edited November 26, 2015 by Happyconcacti

[Philocacti]

A friend of mine had one, the girth is ridiculous.

[Happyconcacti]

Okay, got some photos of the gigantic form.

To start with, for scale purposes, here's a normal M.g:

And here's the gigantic form:

[sagiXsagi]

zelly, not cheaper the italia dude offered 100 seeds per pack, but it doesnt really matter. I also dont buy it there's a gigantic form.. I have grown myrti from small nursery seedlings and they go very fat if you paper them, put them in direct sun and give am a nice sized pot

[Philocacti]

I also dont buy it there's a gigantic form.. I have grown myrti from small nursery seedlings and they go very fat if you paper them, put them in direct sun and give am a nice sized pot

I've seen the gigantic form and its as fat as gigantic trichocereus.

[irabionist]

Was an areole on the smooth baby, BAP'd it and it pupped wayyyyy to many out of the one, the pups seem to have more areoles.

I believe it'll be time soon for a graft session

[mystical oyster]

Got this as 'red form'

Turns red in colder months, doesnt seem to be a common trait though