DiscoStu Posted May 4, 2015 (edited) i see there's still some disagreement on this is there any confirmation ?? Edited August 1, 2015 by DiscoStu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zed240 Posted May 4, 2015 I would have thought Zelly could say something about this with some authority, he has both at flowering stage, doesn't he? I wonder if he's tried to cross pollinate them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2XB Posted May 5, 2015 (edited) Huarazensis x Juuls Giant 30 seeds $4.00 Sold Out! Juuls Giant x Huarazensis 30 seeds $3.00 New! both ways! can't believe u guys don't know misplant stock by heart ;-) if It isn't self fertile(??) i guess they must have some genetic diversity???? Edited May 5, 2015 by doublebenno 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zed240 Posted May 5, 2015 Huarazensis x Juuls Giant 30 seeds $4.00 Sold Out! Juuls Giant x Huarazensis 30 seeds $3.00 New! both ways! can't believe u guys don't know misplant stock by heart ;-) I knew he had the plants, I just couldn't be bothered to check his website. ;) Question answered though! Good work Benno! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DiscoStu Posted May 5, 2015 anyone info on the origins of huarazensis? obviously comes from huaraz region but when/how/who collected? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zelly Posted May 5, 2015 anyone info on the origins of huarazensis? obviously comes from huaraz region but when/how/who collected? rumor has it the original collector's initials are KK rumor also has it that a certain US collector imported various tricho plants from KK, huarazensis being one of them. Then eventually said US collector traded some of his plants among a close knit group of friends. Or so the story goes....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M S Smith Posted May 6, 2015 Yeah, so KK collected a plant in "Huaraz" and pooped out a fitting name for it probably without any thought as to the importance of whether or not this was a single plant growing in someones ornamental container in the city of Huaraz (370.03 km2 / 142.87 sq mi) or a full stand of plants on some god forsaken hillside somewhere in Huaraz province (2,492.91 km2 / 962.52 sq mi). Pretty plant if you have the same plant as I do. ~Michael~ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zelly Posted May 6, 2015 Pretty plant if you have the same plant as I do. Implying its not so pretty if its not the same plant as yours? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Evil Genius Posted May 6, 2015 I received Huarazensis plants that originally came from Knize once. And that was in 2007-2009. 100%! I still remember because the plant was confusing as it had more ribs than Scop, but which was very close to it apart from that. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Psyentist Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) Hi guys, I was just wondering how the huarazensis compared to the huanucoensis besides the obvious location. I used to confuse the two names and they seem like similar looking plants, both short spined pachanoid types. Edited May 6, 2015 by Psyentist Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Evil Genius Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) Huarazensis has no or if at all only very fine, nearly invisible spines while Huanucoensis usually has some. The Distance between the areoles on Huarazensis should be smaller than on Huanucoensis. The areoles on Huarazensis are more oval/quadrangular while the ones on Huanucoensis are more rounded. The overall shape of Huanucoensis is more rounded, while Huarazensis is straighter. Huanucoensis has very broad ribs and tends to have fewer ribs. But we only know very few types from Huaraz and there definitely are more than what we currently know so take that with a grain of salt. Besides, rib count can vary greatly and while most of the Huarazensis I know ended up having 6-7 ribs, it´s definitely possible to come across Huanus with a similar rib count. This is not a real science and every plant can be different. Compare those two pics from misplant´s website and you see the differences. This first pic shows the Huanucoensis. And now the Huarazensis. Edited May 6, 2015 by Evil Genius 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Getafix Posted May 6, 2015 Where can I get these plants or seed? I have both crossed with other Trichs but neither pure! They are beautiful and I want! Getafix 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mysubtleascention Posted May 6, 2015 Check out zelly's pictures of 2 types of huanucoensis at Huntington gardens..[link,post#6] I like the spineless one /.. zelly collect some pollen next time please..!! / 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Evil Genius Posted May 6, 2015 Sacred Succulents has Huanucoensis. Not sure about Huarazensis though. It´s really rare and Misplant is the only one I know besides Nitrogen who is actively breeding with it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DiscoStu Posted May 6, 2015 so do we call huarazenis "trichocerus pachanoi var 'huarazensis'" it's not actually a recognised species is it? also is there a huarazensis x huanucoensis cross? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mysubtleascention Posted May 6, 2015 Yet to be made .. huarazensis x huanucoensis/ huntington spineless / Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nitrogen Posted May 6, 2015 so do we call huarazenis "trichocerus pachanoi var 'huarazensis'" it's not actually a recognised species is it? also is there a huarazensis x huanucoensis cross? Yes technically that is what it would be - it's similar to how people call "T. Lumberjackus" as such instead of "T. bridgesii v. Lumberjackus"- though in the case of Lumberjackus it is a bit less clear a some people think it is a bridgesii hybrid rather than pure bridgesii.. Huarazensis and Juules are not the same strain though, that is for sure.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Evil Genius Posted May 6, 2015 No, none of them is a real species. Huarazensis is a Pachanoi from around Huaraz that might be related to a Scop because it looks very much like one. The large number of ribs and some of the features point to Pachanoi instead of Scop. But again, it´s possibly a hybrid and Scop could have played a role in it. We don´t know. And Huanucoensis is just another regional type. It´s pretty cool and unique but modern taxonomy would simply regard it as a Pachanoi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mauve Posted May 6, 2015 I have the Huarazensis and honestly, I don't see anything "scopulicolesque" about it, it looks 100% pachanoi to me. Superb cactus, very nice colors. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nitrogen Posted May 6, 2015 I agree - the similarity is only in the very short spines.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mysubtleascention Posted May 6, 2015 http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=34688&hl=huarazensis#entry407780 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Psyentist Posted May 8, 2015 Thanks heaps eg! Extremely helpful, they are very different when you see them side by side. I hadnt seen the huarazensis. I assumed it looked like the huancoensis. I wondered why my huarazensis x n1 looked nothing at all like my huancoensis, I figured it got mostly bridgesii genes. But now it all makes a bit more sense. Huarazensis reminds me of the bogan clone a little with its closely spaced areoles, just minus the lovely red spines. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites