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Okay so I'm suddenly ridiculously interested in Lophophora cultivators...

How are they grown?! In what conditions?! Where can I get seeds?! HOW DO I DO THIS?!

A lot of these sexy cultivators seem to be from Japan but there are a few Thai ones as well.

Anybody have information on these? I've tried contacting some nurseries but with no luck.

LET ME KNOW YOUR SECRETS!!!!

A lot of these sexy cultivators seem to be Diffusa with some being Fricii, seems rare to be able to mess around with williamsii genetics?

Also some Loph CV porn ;) - these are from different sources, so I can't guarantee that they're correct in names.

L. fricii cv. Ooibo ginkan

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L. diffusa cv. ?

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L.diffusa cv. Ooibo

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L. diffusa cv. Ootake

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L. diffusa (This is the controversial astro x loph, it's not, a Japanese friend said that the description for it was in bad Japanese but pretty much said "Its name is dumbo, its a seedling. Very strange and lovable. And wonder how many in the world exist?" It also said something about the distance between the ears.)

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L. diffusa Ooibo Siwa Ginkan

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L. cv. Kikko

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L. diffusa cv. Dekapai Suikan

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This is a great site, some person in Japan (I'm pretty sure) that visits nurseries or owns a nursery.... not too sure.

But there are quite a few unique cv's in there.

http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~hama-jj/index.html

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he he he... is that you m8?

wouldnt it be nice if cultivars just exploded into mainstream circulation.

yeah theres a couple out there as you have displayed in all there beauty! but the truths are held captive by legislation. regulation. and a bunch of pollys n creeps performing rigid masturbation!

he he!

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Dont order anything from Thailand or any Asian country ESPECIALLY if you found it online or on ebay.

I dont know about you guys down under but in america we have customs agents, and anything live plant or seed based from Thailand is taken and never seen again. Not to mention i have seen a couple busts go down from people ordering Lophs online like that.

The best way to go about getting seed or live plant is to get it from someone you know and trust. maybe not trust but at least think they wont be working for the man. You will already know some or meet some soon that can get you seed. it happens when the time is right. if you try and force getting the genetics is when stuff gets messed up.

lay low, dont take chances, dont ask everyone that has a loph for seeds, eventually you will find someone.

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Hello Billy! Well, of course it raises a red Flag when something from Thailand arrives at customs. That being said, some Hybrid Cultivars that are not covered by CITES (because hybrids are exempt from CITES) can get through. Intentionally say CAN because it will always depend on the situation and i am sure it won´t be easy to convince them that sth is not covered. But still, technically speaking, if they try to nail you on the basis of CITES, it might not stand in Court. But if you don´t have the money to challenge their decision, it´s certainly bollocks anyway.

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Lol.... yeah it's me...

REALLLYY The main questions are what kind of conditions/ways/growth techniques do these people use to create such cultivators...

I'm not going to be ordering anything from overseas and I'm not looking for loph seeds (already know people that I can get them off).

PLS don't let this be an importation thread....

Just looking for info on cultivars

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All kinds of stuff. Mass Seed Sowing, Chemicals, Hormones and Phytokines of all sorts, Ultraviolet Irradation and all that stuff. All of that can be done anywhere in the world if someone is willing to experiment. I guess they just have a very skilled and experienced group of growers that guard their techniques. But it´s not rocket science. If you have Money and are willing experiment, especially with Irradation and Hormones, all can be recreated. But personally, i´d be really careful because some of that stuff can cause cancer pretty easily.

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Sabry I think the word you should use is cultivar, not cultivator. Cultivator means someone who cultivates :)

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Haha ahh shit just realised, got too excited I wasn't concentrating on what I was writing :P will fix it ;D cheers

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Sabry I think the word you should use is cultivar, not cultivator. Cultivator means someone who cultivates :)

lol.

ive read somewhere some dude was shocking seedlings with a piezo igniter or what evz... he was doing one or two other things also but succesfully created tarded seeds.

from memory he was also exposing the seedlings to some pretty hardcore camera flashing and dont quote me on this one but i think he might have freaked em out a bit by temporarily treating them like ice cream and leaving them in the freezer for a bit?

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Dont order anything from Thailand or any Asian country ESPECIALLY if you found it online or on ebay.

I dont know about you guys down under but in america we have customs agents, and anything live plant or seed based from Thailand is taken and never seen again.

I'd like to see your basis for this? I know of several people elsewhere who have received lots of plants from Thailand. Crested lophs, and other interesting astros, arios, etc....

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back on topic dudes. not importation thread as prev mentioned.

ideas on freaking out lophys would be cool but.

i wonder what the result would be if i germinated a loph in a.......... as opposed to....

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Here is my personal mix then and general grow advise for lophs from seed and such.

Soil mixture needs to be around 30-40% dirt/compost/manure i personally use top soil with the wood chips removed as these can cause rot, 30-40% course/rough sand like what you use in construction. It should not be smooth grain beach sand because this compacts to much and becomes like cement, 20-30% Lime stone because lime stone is important to Lophs and most cacti in general for proper Alkaloid production(not just mescaline) or so i have been told, and if you like you can throw 10% perlite or whatever else you like in there. I just say limestone is a must, yea egg shells and other things do OK but lime stone is best IME.

to plant seeds of lophs or any other cactus species i would gather several plastic meat trays or plastic containers from waste that have lids to use as humidity chambers. The lids can be colored but have to be see though. I use a metal sowing needle and a lighter and heat it up and poke tons of holes in the lid (like 100) for air. Fill the trays 3/4 of the way with your soil mix and place your seeds in the trays and cover LIGHTLY with the course sand.

The lids for the meat trays also help them from burning in the sun or turning that awful olive green color. Personally i grow them indoors in a window which is enough for them to grow fine. Personally though, i also use two T12 4 foot long 6500k blue spectrum fluorescent bulbs producing 5800 lumens for added light. This is also what i use in winter to keep my cacti from going dormant or stretching from lack of light.

If you buy or get living Loph plants then hell, Use the same soil mix as listed above. water once a month to be extra safe or water when soil is fully dry(only in grow season), during winter depending on your set up dictates how much you water them/how much they grow.

Im not sure what other kinds of information you are looking for, you grow it almost the exact same was as cacti in the aztekium genus, ariocarpus genus, and several others. Most of what you do with the plant will be your own style of growing developed by yourself.

Everyone has there own soil mix and grow method. this is just mine, I get a 60-80% germination rate with my seeds so it seems to work well.

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i was thinking more along the lines of germinating seedys in a mycilum/fugus to induce disease bro.

alot of mutations are caused by virus ect.

i was thinking more like making seedlings sick and giving them allergys/immune disorders so there ofspring have a chance to be born tarded. lol.

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I don't know much about genetics, but I remember reading about chemicals colchicine (sp?) ? that are used to induce polyploidy in seeds, and these seeds from treated plants push out a high percentage of mutated offspring. This is purely going off of bad memory lol but may be of use

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Polyploidy typically results in faster growth rate and biomass production and increased organ size according to this thread. http://www.thenook.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=78787&st=0 (you have to have an account to view it.) Rather than physical mutations like crests, variegates and monstrose. I do recall seeing a thread about using mutagens though here... http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=20765

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i was thinking more along the lines of germinating seedys in a mycilum/fugus to induce disease bro.

alot of mutations are caused by virus ect.

i was thinking more like making seedlings sick and giving them allergys/immune disorders so there ofspring have a chance to be born tarded. lol.

soooooo you want to grow them in mold? come now, please explain this fungus grow method for lophs. I have never heard of it before.

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yeah.

just use your imagination!

i've never heard of it before... i'm just speculating that if you make the plant sick the right way its offspring could be spat out the wrong way... witch in this case would be cool and intentional. maybe im a bit freekazoidish!

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Yes, fungal infections cause mutations. Very possible to do this. But in most cases, the mutations are temporary and the infected Plants either die or outgrow it. And the third opportunity is that sometimes, they just sit around for years without doing anything so it might be hard to mass propagate them.

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i've seen good examples of x ray exposure on seedys can alter genetics. it apears the genes are altered in such ways that the seed itself only produces freeked out offspring.

so saying that the effects of x radiation affect the original exposed plant ziltch! but damage all the good stuff that makes organizms pretty n functional in reproduction.

edit. just clarified my wording a bit cause even i didnt know wtf i wrote to begin with.

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Just accidentally found a pic of one of these fungal mutants. Please have a look. And this is one of the healthy ones and was actively growing. I had another One that looked like a Terratoma. With Fur and shit. Didn´t grow in years.

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hmmm. evil genius is onto it!

cacti................................................................................ is good!

fungus............................................................................. is good!

life in general.............................................. pretty fucking good!

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So you would say that these obscurities are more likely caused by chemicals/xray/fungus then by growing conditions?

Hmmmmmm may need to get in contact with some japanese loph growers and squeeze out their secrets!

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According to the info that a vendor in the US has on two cultivars they are currently selling; Dekapai Suikan and Iboginkan are the result of hybrids. Dekapai Suikan; "This is Japanese nursery developed cultivar. Parentage has been linked to L. Fricii cv "Kikko"(Male plant) and L. Koehresii (Female plant)" Iboginkan; "This is Japanese nursery developed cultivar. Parentage is linked to L. williamsii var. "Weisse Bluete" (Male) and L. Fricii cv "Kikko" (Fem)

Other cultivars are likely created thru years of breeding for desirable traits. There is a thread somewhere on the web were Kada shows pictures of some cultivars he was developing (PICTURES WERE NO LONGER AVAILABLE) he did so by crossing cacti that showed the traits he wanted more pronounced. This is also how Ariocarpus and Astrophytum cv. are created. I'm sure that some cacti have been stressed by different sources to cause mutations but the trait may not be stable or passed on and would require cloning.

If you want cultivars plant a ton of seeds and grow them to adulthood then cross those that show ANY sign of abnormal growth repeat this with their offspring. After a few generations you can have a unique cultivar or at least duplicate an existing one. I remember a member on here crossed a few generations of lophophora to get the variegated trait.

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