Growing Virola !! - or trying to find the way through the jokers and thieves .. : Mission Lightening Tree, The hunt for "Red" Otoba

[BedOSpines]

Hey horsey,

looks to be a portuguese stamp on that letter mate

avião is a portuguese word.

[☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ]

thanks dude , maybe they came from france, to Roze [via portugal] afterall

if they sprout i'll eat my words but doesn't look likely and i'm weary of the hunt - enough to wring necks about it ..

just fuming and red mist i guess... but the franquia threw me and my mind just translated as france

I'm just told it turns out that it was ethnoplantes telling of how viable the seeds are in a trade for good caapi seeds we all loved on the sts caapi giveaway by that super dude EIRN at sts ...

EIRN's seeds are amazing and the guy must be another plantsman baddass we could all maybe learn from.

and i trusted Roze because he was who was sharing EIRN's seeds in europe in that cool caapi giveaway..

well i dnno who it was that strikes again .. i wonder if their burst face is worth 2 old unviable V' sebifera nuts to them tho? and that's assuming the ethnoplantes nuts are actually real 'sebbies' anyway ..

Edited March 29, 2016 by ☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ

[kadakuda]

I hear you man, ive been after this genus for a long time. always close, but never there. the few seeds i trusted from brazil always got nabbed by customs Might try again with that friend if his trees are setting seed. but it was touchy.

[☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ]

 

 

I'm sure you'd do well by these trees Kada if all the years of studying your site after it kept cropping up in searches while i was broke and out of luck , which kept me going and learning through the infancy of my ethno studies;.. are anything to go by .

for some reason each time i give up on them .. a lead appears ...

still watching the post box for now and counting my blessings that I'm not alone in the hunt.

Wish you the best of luck in the hunt and hope i can share any successes or failures in bashing out a way forward for the love of these majestic swamp gods..

good to know you also were "thunderstruck" by the "lightening trees"

i wish i knew anything about customs in your part of the world ..

Edited March 28, 2016 by ☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ

[☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ]

 

- pics to explian cuz in rush to process em fast

oh yeah slimy outer layer "rubbed off" , hard thin "coco shell" gently but slowly and very powerfully bitten to crack and then picked off - saved some nail growth for this but already smashing my nails up onnem ..

oh no i broke a nail! :D well fkn worth it

[☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ]

fucks sake why is there smoke coming out the floor .. better not be a fkn house fire on my virola day or im gna slay peeps

-edit .. false alarm .. just smoke w no fires ... fkn downstairs have the gas man round n some daft flu was fuct

so let em in to fix it :3

and on with the virola shell cracking off ... so head back down ... will update w pics soon -

got only 2 floaters so far -- -edit- one floater and one critically balanced neither floated to top nor sank to bottom - took pics for in a bit

its fkn acacias that like smoke treatment .. not fkn virola and horsies :3

aaaand these seeds smell so good - like white aya vine pieces :3

Edited March 22, 2016 by ☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ

[☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ]

okay .. took pics of every stage ... :3

and posting them

while D'z nutz sit in luke warm water waiting to be sowed

 

oh yeah -- more pics to add/edit in in a mo , just blew up the uploader so posting early

[☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ]

screw editing it in .. kids be back frm school soon and this has taken all day already

here's another tune too :3

you can tell by the way i use my walk i'm virola's man ..

 

 

shame about my lovely nails getting all fuctup by virola shell eh? :3

[☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ]

all thanks to ...cayany06 for a source and making opportunity available

And Torsten for that 2005(i think it was) thread on germinating sebifera that gave me the incentive to try harder, and EG for priceless advice too

finger's x'd for some real alive sebifera in summer from a link I managed to find from Guyana in my tireless

searching and researching over the years out of love for these amazing tree spirits..

always character building i guess

and at least something that seems finally genuine.. came out from the rubble.

moral of the story?

lol - seems to be: if you try and don't succeed , give up .. then it might find you ?

i have to thank the unwittingly "gifting" of Peijotl , though hard.. {cost me fkn £80!}

but seemed to still wisely teach in the process by proximity again,

and the joy they must bring to the source who fleeced me for so much so watch them

.. all for this link to cayany06 so i could go buy some virola seeds of my own.

and to make fun of me along the way .. just to add to the insult ..

should i really be thanking Roze for that? I think not ..

-all this to try and reach the ultimate goal of having a breeding pair or two , of miniature lightening trees.

Edited March 29, 2016 by ☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ

[☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ]

what a day !!

and in retrospect...

I can't believe the universe, sky , earth , mother nature.. whatever that was ... was tryna warn me about the possible fire from the melting smouldering flu -via a song i thought fun to upload while i was "on fire" myself - before it happened...

well i believe it now lol

[☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ]

so , those two floaters sank eventually ...

kept them separate for justin [case]

the labelled pic of 3 nuts in my hand tells which one is the new surinamensis ...with 2 dead sebifera [from ethnobastesplantes] ..next to them for a comparison shot

-edit- to add pic to save folk searching and to remove a music vid that i thought was cool at the time but just got on my tits in the end

Edited March 28, 2016 by ☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ

[☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ]

still soaking for now

but only just got through £50 worth of sandwich filler in time to give them bespoke humidity domes to sprout under

if i see tuna or egg mayo and cheese and onion again i think I'll take a pass :]

the things we do for love

[☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ]

-just removed enough water from the soak-tub[plus lid], so as to leave just enough water remaining ..; -to not cover them ..

...but isn't far off

and i dnno if i got carbon monoxide poisoning from downstairs neighbours black smoke filling my appt ..,

or if i accidentally ingested whatever the seeds were soaked in prior to shipping .. but feel much better now -

-was pretty horrible for 5 hours tho-

[☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ]

just finished the full moon sowing

24 in the "Virolarium"

10 in the "Caapitarium"

6 in the "Paqarina"

6 in the "yukutlan"

2 in some little tubs of sphag instead of the aquarium island

[☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ]

if anyone wonders why i used the breeding trap in the aquarium: -

it was just one of the acclimatization stages on the way to 30C from the cooler journey prior to arrival

(26C in there atm)

[☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ]

http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2490

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=5bj1CAAAQBAJ&pg=PA218&lpg=PA218&dq=virola+seeds+were+germinated+at+30C&source=bl&ots=PyjcpY6KbI&sig=rmUkL7SBz4xi50iHNINA8QsjK3M&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjf_cvM39jLAhVFLhoKHRFqCt8Q6AEIJjAA#v=onepage&q=virola%20seeds%20were%20germinated%20at%2030C&f=false

http://www.hindawi.com/journals/ijac/2012/721494/

some bits to add quickly before the school run

will edit in if i find anything else

sorry if i already linked these [no time to check]

-and from this info i just re-swatted up on ; I gather my tek employs the "naked" seed "way" ..

and if I had "defecated" them x] .. I might have looked fwd to 100% germ rates - classy!

http://www.omnilexica.com/?q=virola+

Edited March 24, 2016 by ☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ

[☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ]

have no clue if it is .. or if it isn't ..

and will be the last time i dig 47 seeds up twice a day to check them lol

would hate to accidentally break one if theyre gna go for it

i will just stick to watering them twice a day ..

and if any swampiness exceeds 1cm depth in their growing pods ..

i will wick away with a supersponge .. so as to keep it swampy..

-and still be able to add this twice daily watering with aquarium water heated up by mixing in a little from the hot tap.

-edit- oh yeah , that was in the "caapitarium" tank , nuth'n happened anywhere else

-and this would be day #5

-and what i can tell you is that white nobble on the nut is protruding and a very much cleaner white than when i had scuffed the "kernel" of a few back when "picking shell"

Edited March 28, 2016 by ☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ

[BedOSpines]

Good stuff horsie. As they say, a watched kettle never boils ☺

[☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ]

http://tropical.theferns.info/viewtropical.php?id=Virola+surinamensis

https://phytochem.nal.usda.gov/phytochem/plants/show/2104

tropilab bad news http://davesgarden.com/products/gwd/c/3470/

- my own experiences were trying to buy virola seeds every 2 months for over a year always got the reply "not ready wait 2 months" and that was only if i kept paying and being bounced back ... fkn time wasters

http://www.fao.org/docrep/v0784e/v0784e0w.htm

http://www.canopywatchinternational.org/2015/02/seed-dispersal-in-the-tropical-rainforest-canopy-how-does-your-garden-grow/

[☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ]

ended up whizzing up the husks in a coffee grinder and "watering" them back onto the seeds just in case i was missing something vital from them but forgot to say ..

oddly enough i was just on about kettles with a pal in pm earlier

[plantlight]

I've never had the patience to work with difficult to germinate seeds but I think I'm catching on.

[☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ]

cleared out the virolarium today and gave it a good clean down .. and re-plonked the pots back in ..

found 2 more matching humidity domes just one to go

the others that were "making do for now" fit the rfb and caapitarium pots much better

-but had to use my square "peijotl pots" that I'd had in storage, for the virolarium swamp box, to get as close to a snug fit and minimum space waste as possible ..

-just about to give them their 2nd daily watering ..

I decided to use a cheap garden sprayer for this since last night ..

and because it was battering it down last night outside..

i nipped out with two jugs and caught myself 2litres of nice acidic ph4 sky juice to spray them with .

nothing breached on the surface .. my minds going over time imagining them sprouting under there though

i hope they are..

[☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ]

oh yeah , to anybody wondering about the variable nutz size pre shell/husk removal ..

i can only think that's just normal ?

.. and when i examine my acacia seeds i notice variation in size in a single species too

so on that basis , i guess it not matching size as closely as i'd've liked... is possibly just my noob-dom

and sorry if i got anyone worried over size of seeds in a pm ..

or different speeds of water take up post shell/husk removal? ..

and to spice up an otherwise uneventful virolarium day .. i figured [seeing as this thread now has some mileage to it and the image links are beginning to fail] I would rip some pics from the net instead of link them and..

then they can stay right where they are

just lately I've been following the toucans so here's some toucan shots with virolas

Edited March 29, 2016 by ☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ

[☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ]

i wonder if successful , one could be tested in the aquarium to see if it will make a buttress ..

the buttress is so they can still have "root" breathing when the forests flood

and from learning about that in aquaria .. that can mean some 13-16 feet of water for months

would be super to have found a freshwater "mangrove" for a palaudarium style jungle aquascape in the virola

.. but maybe if i thought of it , so did someone else, maybe many .. and maybe a few of them have had success already?

hopefully it wont poison my fishies :3 but would be nice to make the water immaculate for discus who i guess would breed amongst the trees like birds in the flooded forest ..

willow cuttings do an immaculate job of emptying the water of excess nutes .. hopefully virolas will

hmm maybe i should rename the virolarium to "the flooded forest" ..

or perhaps the next aquascape.. since i'll have to dismantle it and relocate it soon to start again again yet again again

Edited March 29, 2016 by ☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ

[☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ]

one of the 2 baby food tub swampnutz made that white dot thing in the same place the other one did :3

-will be nice to have one to check on to witness the germ' process if that's what it's doing

after deciding to leave the soil/moss bed pots ones alone ..