brugmansia problems

[bullit]

edit... was upset and posted like a fool..

Edited December 16, 2013 by bullit

[bullit]

the other people i talk to bout this [over 6] most b all wrong??????????????

Edited December 16, 2013 by bullit

[Torsten]

Maybe if you did your research before making spurious claims you wouldn't make wrong claims.

I am not very good at plant disease ID, but using google image search it becomes clear pretty quickly what the most obvious features of each disease are. The images you showed do not have the features of mosaic virus. You having a tantrum won't change that.

Regardless, I will get professional plant pathology advice. If you provide the extra images I asked for then I can include them so that maybe you will get a solid ID. I would have thought you'd be itnerested in that moreso than in just slandering me, but maybe I am wrong.

[LokStok]

pics 2 & onward look like Broad Mite damage I have seen in the past.

[bullit]

Maybe if you did your research before making spurious claims you wouldn't make wrong claims.

I am not very good at plant disease ID,

sorry i am stressed i did my research thats why i talked to brug growers around the world b4 u cause these guys grow JUST BRUGS!!

@ lok yes they did get smashed by broadmite and spidermite , but the ''experts'' still say its a viral disease under the damage from bugs..

i know alot about bug problems cause i grow niteshades. like i said i spray my brugs hard. all my plant b4 this where goin fuken great . this plant was sic and i fucked up putting it with the rest!!

EDIT <> the pics was from today and yes these plant where hit hard 2 weeks ago with mite . which i have treated.. the problem was 10 months ago with the original problem with the plant i got was infected ..

i dont have these pics anymore i deleted them ..

Edited December 16, 2013 by bullit

[bullit]

also the brug growers i spoke to didnt say it was mosaic .. they said it was def a viral infection!!

[bullit]

also u can have a dig @ my dog breeding if ya want T.. U CAN SAY ALL U FUKEN WANT !!

my dogs r aust champions and iam approved accredited breeder with superoir bloodlines . with reg papers and certs to prove it.

aye....

[Sallubrious]

So you had a plant that you suspected was diseased and you still put in close proximity to the others. Most specialist growers I know have a quarantine system where all new plants are isolated and often treated with a bordeaux mix and observed before for problems before they are introduced to the established growing area.

I can understand your frustration as I've been through similar scenarios myself in the past. It was a tough lesson to learn (more than once) but if you're not paying for certified disease free stock then any plant you bring home or buy etc has to be considered a risk. Growing other nightshades in close proximity is possibly something that needs to be evaluated as well.

Any business is going to want some sort of proof before they admit to any liability (that's if there is any) and even then that liability is only going to apply to the plant you purchased from him. If Torsten is selling plants without any symptoms of disease and you haven't paid for certified stock then I can't really see why he should keep the negotiations open if you continue to take a hostile approach.

You could have sorted this out by PM or email.

[bullit]

yeap it was my fuk up putting it with my other brugs..

[Torsten]

i talked to brug growers around the world b4 u cause these guys grow JUST BRUGS!!

That might be part of the problem. Overseas people won't be familiar with our climate and the bugs & diseases that brings. For example, it is pretty rare for brugmansias to become completely defoliated by spidermite in other climates, but somehow they manage to do that here in late spring some years.

but the ''experts'' still say its a viral disease under the damage from bugs..

But you have provided no proof of this here. You have not quoted any experts or identified them other than Steve [and I am not sure if he rates that highly], and you have not provided any evidence whatsoever. I am already giving you a huge amount of leeway by discussing plants in this claim that weren't even sourced from here and still the evidence is not convincing.

The other problem with your experts' opinions is that unless they can anme the virus [or at least the group that it belongs to] their diagnosis is meaningless. if they can't say which symptoms correspond with which virus then all they are doing is having a stab in the dark.

this plant was sic and i fucked up putting it with the rest!!

Let's assume for amoment that you are correct and the plant has a viral disease. How do you explain that there are no symptoms on any plants here regardless of age or what conditions they are grow in? Youa re welcome to come and visit the nursery to confirm for yourself. if a viral disease was so bad that it caused you to ditch all your plants, then obviously it would be just as bad here [probably worse as the plants in the gardens probably don't get anywhere near asmuch attention as you would give yours.

Do you see how silly your proposition is? No disease here, yet you claim your wipe out disease came from here. That makes no sense whatsoever.

i dont have these pics anymore i deleted them .. the pics i sent to other nurseries and brug growers was from the plant from sab and my 1s that was growing near this plant!!!!

If yous ent them by email the pics would still be in your sent folder. if you sent them by PM on forusm then you would have copies there. The more I think about this, the more I actually don't believe you.

also the brug growers i spoke to didnt say it was mosaic .. they said it was def a viral infection!!

but you said in post 6 that it was mosaic. your quote:"i think it mosaic visus"

How about your address the nutrient issue as I suggested and see of that changes anything? what fertiliser do you use?

[Torsten]

It's really quite simple. you either come up with some proof or I am going to take you to court for slander and loss of business. You've got a week. if you don't have any proof by then you will also be banned from the forums [regardless of whether you edit anything now - you've had your chance]. I suggest you contact the people you sent the pics to as they may still have them.

Without evidence I have to assume this is just a spurious slander, probably somehow connected to the bitching by others you've bought into.

If you do come up with some images I will submit them to a couple of very respected horticulturists I know to see what they say.

[bullit]

EDIT i was angry and made a mistake writing what i did..

Edited December 15, 2013 by bullit

[naja naja]

Built, I had respect for u.... Until just now.

U had earned respect by being a friendly and contributing member to this community. You have provided no proof! Zero, nada, not a scrap. If this were a court case the judge would laugh at you. I know many "experts" and they are regularly wrong! In fact, spend enough time with plants and you will realize you can never be quite "sure" Unless it is that you had a sample analysed by a company that specialized in identifying plant pathogens. Hearsay about wat some supposed expert supposedly said about a photographic image is , in my book, far from proof! You may believe wat they are saying, but that is just a belief. It is not fact!

You have no proof. Made slanderous accusations and now have your back against the wall and lashing out like a cornered snake. Maybe you realize your wrong, and can't eat some humble pie.

I think Torsten is being more than fair! He offered to have a sample of yours and his plants sent away for professional (independant and unbiased) lab testing with the expense payed for by him. (Incase your unaware, a test like this would run over $1000 per sample tested) To resolve this problem, which he never said you were wrong, but simply didn't think it was likely. and yet... would still test just to make yourself happy. And to ensure he doesn't have a viral problem.

He never said you were wrong, simply provided evidence for why he thought his plants were not infected (unlike yourself). Do you think he is not allowed to have an opinion on the matter, even though it's his business and his plants you are slandering? Or would you think you were justified in defending your dogs?(ie, your last post)

Your being childish, ignorant and hypocritical. You had an "expert" offer to resolve 100% this problem (at his expense) for you and you threw it back in his face.

I personally think you and T should both send plant material away for testing and whoever turns out to be wrong pays for the lab tests? How about that built? Are you confident enough with your CLAIMS to go along with that?

wats up with all the ego's in a place where you would have thought most would have gotten over that whole.......... thing.

[bullit]

ya gunna ban me for having opinion on ya brug?????????????????????????

[bullit]

oi naja yeap ya right ..

ban me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edited December 15, 2013 by bullit

[naja naja]

o do u have a wife and kids ????????????????????????????

if so i hate to b around you and ya fuken 1 way street ..

LMAO,

built...... T is a fairy

[Torsten]

ya gunna ban me for having opinion on ya brug?????????????????????????

nope. not for having an opinion, but for stating a 'fact'. Facts need to have proof. I already told you there were ways this issue could be discussed that could be of benefit to everyone without doing any undue harm. You chose to harm me instead. if you want to harm me then you have to provide proof. if you have no proof then you should have shut up or at least been a LOT more careful about how you phrase all this.

My plants are my family. And just like I am sure you would go to extreme lengths to protect your family, so will I. If someone bring harm to me wihout substantiaiton then they need to be prepared to be harmed back.

Edited December 13, 2013 by Torsten

[Torsten]

Interesting that you decided to remove the images you posted. I guess you realise that they are no proof at all and really only show that dousing them in chemicals actually produces lesser results than our predator system. But don't worry, I have saved them in all detail. I also saved the whole thread.

I've got a few horticultrists looking at this thread so will repost your images for their benefit.

Edited December 13, 2013 by Torsten

[bullit]

nope. not for having an opinion, but for stating a 'fact'. Facts need to have proof. I already told you there were ways this issue could be discussed that could be of benefit to everyone without doing any undue harm. You chose to harm me instead. if you want to harm me then you have to provide proof. if you have no proof then you should have shut up or at least been a LOT more careful about how you phrase all this.

My plants are my family. And just like I am sure you would go to extreme lengths to protect your family, so will I. If someone bring harm to me wihout substantiaiton then they need to be prepared to be harmed back.

i give up. sorry i couldnt find my old pics. my proof is gone.. like i said again i cant write , spell or type i am a rednek hippie plant lover. u cant harm me t. desperate people will do desperate things. i am out on this 1!!!! [ of to watch the walking dead]

if u wanna ban me do it know please [ if people r reading this can u please stay true to our trade thanks bullit]

bye

[bullit]

Interesting that you decided to remove the images you posted. I guess you realise that they are no proof at all and really only show that dousing them in chemicals actually produces lesser results than our predator system. But don't worry, I have saved them in all detail. I also saved the whole thread.

same bye bye over and out once again lol.....

Edited December 13, 2013 by bullit

[ballzac]

bullit, I think maybe you are still missing what you have done wrong here. It is not that you raised the issue. Things like this need to be raised if there are any concerns, as it enables other members to take extra precautions if they think it's warranted. All you really needed to do was add qualifiers to the title and your post. Things like "seems to", "possibly", "might", "could have", etc. When you speak in absolutes, you need to provide some supporting evidence. It's that simple.

[Torsten]

Horticulturist (sydney botanic gardens) commented on those pics:

A mild nutrient deficiency, probably pH/water induced with some insect damage.

The stems look strong enough, many of the leaves look badly damaged by chewing insects, and there looks to be a mild nutrient deficiency of some sort.

You'd need a pathology report to prove a virus.

waiting for more replies as I've asked a few professionals ....

[Halcyon Daze]

Come on guys, where's the love LOL.

Let it cool down then we'll talk about it.

[Foo]

I really don't know why we are asking experts here.

If those picture were of a cabbage then i would be disturbed. Those plants look 80% healthy to me

[space cadet swami]

Pictures mean jack shit...plant material needs to be analysed, it's that simple.

Come on guys, where's the love LOL.

Let it cool down then we'll talk about it.

totally agree HD....how very sad for all involved .

What happened to community..?