Vines from far west NSW

[BreakingBarrett]

Hey everyone, I have a vine that is growing out in the backyard. It also grows everywhere out this way. Trying to ID it.

The first three photos are of this vine.

Also, there is a vine that was planted out the front of our spare house before we bought it and I am trying to get an ID for that one as well. Last four photos are of that vine.

Cheers

[tarenna]

Last lot of photos seem to be Pandorea pandorana - first lot possibly Calystegia ??

[BreakingBarrett]

Thanks for the reply tarenna. You seem to be spot on

[tarenna]

Whammo!! Happy gardening!!

[Torsten]

which Calystegia species would that be?

[tarenna]

Not 100% sure on it being Calystegia - but could be C. sepium?

http://plantnet.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/NSWfl.pl?page=nswfl&lvl=sp&name=Calystegia~sepium

[Torsten]

I've been through the whole Convolvulaceae section on plantnet, but can't find anything similar. The flower for C.sepium is wrong.

I am really curious about this because I have the plant from the first pic growing here. I collected it on the south eastern edge of the simpson desert and also had a nibble on some seeds while out there, which were definitely somewhat active [at least in my heat exhausted state ;)]. It grows quite well around here except it suffers from summer humidity.

[BreakingBarrett]

Well, I had a whole bunch of seeds that I dried out, was hoping for some "activity" but threw them in the bin when I figured they weren't. The vine grows everywhere around here, and due to the lack of humidity it thrives during summer.

[tarenna]

Cool - will sniff around a bit more on its ID. Have a few books that can help but don't have them at hand at present. Definitely within the Convolvulaceae??

[Torsten]

[Torsten]

def Convolvulaceae. I am also pretty confident that it is strictly an annual [it behaves just like all the other annual Convolvulaceae regardless of climate]. I saw it in both pink and white, plus several shades between. colour was not related to age of flower. however, seed collected from single colour plants did not produce true, with pink being very dominant.

First seedlings are already popping up, so pics with better angles and details will be available soon. Toast might even have some handy from last season.

[BreakingBarrett]

They definitely appear to be the same species, just walked outside and collected some dried out seed capsules and fresher capsules.

[tarenna]

Convolvulus remotus??

http://plantnet.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/NSWfl.pl?page=nswfl&lvl=sp&name=Convolvulus~remotus

[Torsten]

Been looking at mine surveys etc and it seems Convolvulus eyreanus would suit in terms of distribution and description. However there seems to be dispute as to whether this name is resolved.

This page gives it as syn of C.erubescens which is highly unlikely. Other pages say it is an accepted species.

[BreakingBarrett]

The range that I could find for Convolvulus eyreanus through the website you just posted doesn't seem to quite match my location; Broken Hill. Though they may not have searched this area. Here is the link with distribution map http://bie.ala.org.au/species/Convolvulus+eyreanus

[Torsten]

There are quite a few species not included in the plantnet key, but listed on the genus page. Several of them have herbarium sheets labeleld as C.erubescens, so it seems any of the desert species that grossly resembled erubescens were lumped at the time. eyreanus is not on there, but some with very similar flower yet narrower leaves are.

[Torsten]

BB- that might be due to taxonomic work having been done at the SA herbarium, but not in NSW or Qld. It seems in NSW/Qld they were quite happy to lump everything into erubescens, while in SA they split a lot of them up. With that sort of distribution map I'd be surprised if it didn't reach much further into NSW and Qld. I mean, plants don't follow state borders, especially if the habitat is very similar, yet the blue dots are really dense quite close to the border and then pretty much stop.

[Torsten]

There are several collections of eyreanus within 10km of my collection location, including this one. So looks like this might be a winner.

[BreakingBarrett]

So you are positive that the one in my photos isn't c.remotus? The leaves of eyreanus look somewhat different (though google images may be showing me the incorrect plant).

[Torsten]

I think we need better pics. There are some difference in the leaves and there may also be some differences in the flowers. Good thing is we both have the plant growing so can access both in the next little while. I'll check if we have more pics from last season and if not we'll take some as soon as the new seedlings start flowering.

I am pretty confident I have the right species for me, but it might not be the same as yours.

[BreakingBarrett]

Yeah true; tomorrow I'll get some more photos and will head out to another part of town where it is growing very, very well, which will help to determine exactly what species I am growing. I'm about 300-400km away from the simpson desert, so there's a possibility we have slightly different species.