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I know it's the Chill Space. I know it's a place for social and relaxed chat. And the general disapproving response from the community here to posted binge stories, even legal ones, indicates that as a community we do not encourage or admire senseless excess.

But please don't post binge epics on this forum anymore you lot. Should you have obtained any perceptible insights from your overindulgence, it is well within the realms of possibility to describe them in a balanced and considered context without seeemingly inciting the newer or less experienced to emulate you.

From today binge stories will be deleted and the author notified. Repeat offenders risk suspension or culling

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And don't even think 'bout gettig mischevious on this one CS wink.gif I can smell the text you're typing before it even streams down the line. The unfortunate combination of gaffer tape, jellybeans, high melting point grease and salvia you claim to have fully recovered from is not only in direct coflict with this current request, its also physically impossible. I know you're fibbing. But how's the rash? wink.gif

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And don't even think 'bout gettig mischevious on this one CS

Holy shit I swear you must be psychic here Darklight. I was just about to get them magic fingers typing. I guess I will remain silent for this one and commence work on my aluminium foil deflector beany asap.

Can everyone out there hear what I am thinking or what. Just wait till i've finished the beany.

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It is just to show you Chem that you have in no way been singled out in the matter smile.gif I have had my eye on it the whole time. I have just been exercising my patience.

I am in total agreement with Darklight on the matter. Darklight has also written up an eloquent consensus on the issue in the offending post.

I am going to start threading into the conversation in the future some observations of my own on such things. I am starting to think that part of the discipline of modern drug use for entertainment, sacramental and augmentative purposes, is the attaining and retaining of your natural state of consciousness, any deviation from this natural state should be done with some reasonable responsibility. Or at least, that is the basic, unrefined idea; we all know of course, that it is not as simple as that.

I am starting to believe that a person cannot appreciate the states of mind available to them through the use of various plants, plant extracts and synthetics without being able to first detect the subtleties and extremes of their effects. A perfect example would be coffee. For the first time in my life I can actually tell the difference of being on or off coffee cool.gif When I was smoking tobacco and drinking coffee obsessively everyday which I had done for at least two or three years, I was blind and oblivious to their effects. I could not differentiate the negative effects between coffee and tobacco, as they were both so heavily infused into my system.

[This message has been edited by ?SaToriBluE? (edited 24 September 2001).]

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Okay i'm sorry!

but please don't compare me to the yobo macho "I drank 20 beers last night and didn't spew" type of moroon.

I admit - I didn't consume the aforementioned substances with the intention of expanding my mind or gaining an expereince which would be spiritually benficial -- It was pure hedonistic fun....

Thats not to say i can't use substances in a responsible manner though, i assure i have done so before but i prefer to keep spiritual experiences away from riotus parties...

Occasionally though i make the conscious descion to use substances in an irresposible manner

I think it is good to have both types of experience.

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Darklight is being merciful Sktiz. I would not have been so merciful, nor would I have discussed it or handled it as well as she has. I would have deleted your post and slapped a suspension on you without a second thought.

Out of respect for Darklight I merely drew it to her attention.

That is fine, Skitz, you make that decision to use drugs in an irresponsible manner, however, spare us the graphic details.

I would say we have a rather relative comprehension of hedonistic between us, so I will spare you my gory details and will only offer you the good advice that speaks from years of experience and personal mistakes.

What we are saying is that we will not condone such as approach to drug use even in a purely entertainment context and we sure as hell won't tolerate it on the forum.

It is all in the portrayal skitz. I mean you do not seriously think we are going to cheer you on for a story like that do you, on a public forum?

At the most basic level, I am saying what you did was wrong and I am making you the current example of how not to use drugs. Whether people choose to ignore my advice is up to them. I am drawing a line somewhere and saying this is wrong to do things this way, it is disrespectful to your body and those around you.

Sure it is only an ideal and life is hardly anywhere near as idealistic or as black and white as that, yet still we must at least try to send out the right messages.

I am going to have my fair share of drug problems over the course of my life I feel like, no as a matter of fact I have spent the better part of my life dealing with them.

It just dissapoints me when a member of our community makes no attempt to express an appreciation of the need to exercise a certain amount of restraint when using drugs for whatever reason they are using them for. As I feel it is essential, I feel it in my blood and my bone.

[This message has been edited by ?SaToriBluE? (edited 25 September 2001).]

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Nah, I have no problem with hedonism. And I'm not being merciful here SB, how could Schitztrip know he was posting something dodgy when the binging topic hadn't been discussed before?

It's just that this is a public forum. Collective conversation sets a certain tone, and leaves a lasting record. The overall impression I'd prefer to create here is one of careful and considered exploration.

This has been just a part of the forum's evolutionary processes. No doubt it won't be the last, but I'd prefer ppl think before they post stuff rather than me having to wring my hands over censoriousness

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Yeh I have strong opinions on it,I am being a bit rough on skitz though. I use a lot of personal restraint these days or I try to, mainly out of necessity.

And I have nothing against getting down and partying with the best of them. cool.gif I really miss it in fact. Nothing brings a smile to my face faster then the thought of dancing all night under a full moon until sunrise or running naked along some empty beach somewhere. smile.gif

With me it is a choice, party or knuckle down and start my long trek into the future of my life, hopefully as a writer or something. Maybe write something one day that would make Aldous Huxley proud smile.gif I have got to have a dream.

I think you can party pretty damn hard and still be in control of your senses if you play smart. In fact I know so.

Sorry about being so rough there skitz I am just trying to point something out that I think is important.

[This message has been edited by ?SaToriBluE? (edited 25 September 2001).]

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probably more apt in the locked thread, or just not at all...but oh well

to paraphrase someone who mightve been TMK

"psychedelic sophistication isn't about taking everything there is, in combination with everything else there is, at high doses, at rock concerts ... it's about finding out what works for you and putting the pedal to the metal"

another irrelevant point-

hmm anyone else get this booklet which has been sent to all victorian year 12 students (VCE)? It's called "Stuff" (don't ask me)..it's full of "all the stuff you need to know"...like for instance that small amounts of LSD can remain in the brain permanently, sometimes resulting in flashbacks..

Ecstasy is a combination of drugs like coke, h, lsd, and speed, etc..expensive & addictive.

well i guess that's some stuff i should be aware of...i dont know if i should trash it or check out who the hell produced it & why .. is this not worse than the laughable howard drug booklet?

so sorry, coin

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Originally posted by coin:

hmm anyone else get this booklet which has been sent to all victorian year 12 students (VCE)? It's called "Stuff"

Lovely. This sort of crap will probably be a collectors item in the future in much the same way that those old anti-pot movies and posters of the 30's are. Hopefully in the future we can look back and laugh

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I'll make this post as quick as I can , the bile rises up in my throat as I type and I don't know if I can contain it much longer.

I want to tell you a story.

When I was 13 years old my aunty bought me a 286 with 640kb of ram , a 10Mb hard drive and a 5.25 inch floppy drive. It was huge with a tiny green screen and when she gave it to me I had no idea how to even turn the thing on.

It had DOS as an operating system and it also had X-Tree Gold which I could use to manage files and directories and read text files.

My sisters boyfriends family was reasonably wealthy and had just spent a great deal of money on one of these new 486 machines that had just been released. It came with a 14.4k modem and a colour screen.

Before long my sisters boyfriend had discovered BBS's and the bulk of the content on these BBS's was text files containing information about hacking , freaking and drugs. One day he gave me a floppy disk , on it was a directory filled with text-files about all things illegal. After i managed to work out how to read the text files I came upon a wondrous thing. The Trip Report.

I had been raised a devout mormon for 13 years of my life and attended church every single sunday with youth meetings on a wednesday night and seminary 4 mornings a week before school. I was too scared to even go near coffee or cigarettes or even touch my penis let alone go near drugs.

One night I got up really late after everyone had gone to bed and I switched on my computer and layed across the floor with excitement. I loaded up the first trip report which i think (from memory) was called "The Land of Else". It was a beautifully written trip report about magic mushrooms and was written something similar to an "alice in wonderland" kind of style , it was absoloutely mindblowing. I remember the excited jittery feeling that tingled throughought me as I tried to picture what it would be like to be on magic mushrooms , I opened up another trip report on acid and read on , it got to early hours of the morning and I was still up reading , fascinated by the forbidden and curious as hell.

This was the beginning of Chemical Shaman.

Trip reports made me who I was , trip reports are my place of origin , if it wasn't for people sharing there interesting stories of indulging recklessly in drugs and mayhem I would not be typing here now , I would be kneeling beside the bed repenting to God for glancing at that Bras&Things catalog for a litle longer than was necessary.

I discovered that the same author of "The Land of Else" had written sequels also , I read on in delight growing ever curious about these illicit psychedelic substances. I soon discovered in another text file that a bong could be made easily and cheaply using stuff lying around the house , I also found out from another text file that you could trip off a bottle of Robitussin DM which can be purchased easily from any chemist. These files were my education and introduction into who I am today , they are what made me , me.

I think this "no more binge stories" rule is nothing short of absurd. Every day this place is becoming increasingly restricted and before long topic discussion will be limited to world news and current events. I can go down to my local supermarket to discuss this. There is a reason I come here and that reason is the common ground that all of us here share. Drugs are our heritage , drugs are what brought us here as a group and drugs are the very thing that seperate us from being just another supermarket. Try telling the old lady squeezing fruit&Veg that you just tripped on 5MeODMT or that you discovered how to connect to the universe. We are here for a reason.

I move to vote that the role of moderator be renamed to "thought police" because it certainly feels like the imaginary 1984 that never took place. Topic discussion is becoming more and more restricted and if I wasn't so addicted to these forums this latest absurdity would have been enough to push me over the edge and never look back (please note that this isn't directed at you darklight).

general disapproving response from the community here to posted binge stories, even legal ones, indicates that as a community we do not encourage or admire senseless excess.

Nobody asked me and I completely approve. I think that it is healthy to share as much information as you can. It has been said before that the general dissaproving response from the community is that my posts aren't appreciated and it is MY behaviour that will drive people away from the forums.I disagree , I know for a fact that people are being driven away by high horses and egotistical behaviour , infact one of my best (internet) friends used to post here on a VERY regular basis but has not visited here for months because of the place it has become.

It is behaviour like this that drives people away and while my behaviour is likely frowned upon by many im sure it is appreciated also.

But please don't post binge epics on this forum anymore you lot. Should you have obtained any perceptible insights from your overindulgence, it is well within the realms of possibility to describe them in a balanced and considered context without seeemingly inciting the newer or less experienced to emulate you.

Anyone that reads that one guy tried a scary combo of drugs and managed to survive and then goes out and emulates that based on one guy writing briefly about it deserves any ill efects bestowed upon them. I like to think that as a group we are a little more intelligent and careful than that and wouldn't be influenced so easily. Remember that the role of the thought police was to protect us from ourselves , this is exactly what you are saying here , that we need protection from ourselves. I think we all deserve more credit than this , I think we can make decisions on our own.

Satori Wrote:

It is just to show you Chem that you have in no way been singled out in the matter

I wouldn't have cared if I had been , this is a completely different matter altogether. Infact I believe my wrist slapping was about mouthing off at HHH and not about binge stories at all. In my final post before banning there was no binges discussed nor was there any illegal activities discussed.

Schitztrip wrote:

I admit - I didn't consume the aforementioned substances with the intention of expanding my mind or gaining an expereince which would be spiritually benficial -- It was pure hedonistic fun....

Thats good to hear , not all drug taking has to be about enlightment or becoming closer to god or whatever the hell anyone tries to tell you it should be about. There is nothing at all wrong with hedonsim , hedonistic fun is what I base my life on. I live the kind of life that people only read about in bizzare novels or see in crazy porno films , if I told you about the hedonism i indulged in last night your jaw would drop straight to the ground. There is NOTHING wrong with hedonism.

Satori wrote:

Darklight is being merciful Sktiz. I would not have been so merciful, nor would I have discussed it or handled it as well as she has. I would have deleted your post and slapped a suspension on you without a second thought.

Well then Torsten should change your status from "chief" to "Nazi'. That is absoloutely ridiculous mad.gif. He didn't arrange to have 2 planes plow into the world trade centre , he exercised free will and took some drugs and went out and had fun , then shared his experience with the forum.

That is fine, Skitz, you make that decision to use drugs in an irresponsible manner, however, spare us the graphic details.

You're assuming that because you want to be spared that everybody else on this forum wants to be also. I certainly don't , I encourage you all to break this ridiculous rule the same way that you break the ridiculous marijuana laws. Infact I regard this new rule as being far more absurd than the marijuana legislation , this is directly related to free speech which has been completely taken away from us here.

When will it stop? When we have nothing left to discuss but the weather?

There is no nice way to say this so I think I will just come out with it.

I believe this is more about ego than it is about looking after the forums , I won't be coy , this is directed at you Satori , I think you are behaving ridiculously.

All of the rubbish that has been spewed forth over such a very minor thing. It insults my intelligence to think that what is being suggested is that we don't have the common sense to think for ourselves , that because ONE person got a little reckless that everbody is going to.

I've had my fair share of rogue editing since being here with the cake being taken over sarcastic remarks and general joking around.

I think that some very serious changes need to be made here and soon , for the good of the community and for freedom of speech. We have become a completely controlled group and so fearful are we of stepping out of line that we have been virtually silenced.

I didn't make this post to win any friends I wrote it because it needed to be said and while I realize I risk my posting privalleges indefinately I couldn't hold my tongue any longer.

Before finding these forums , usenet was my forte. The alt.drugs newsgroups in particular , an unlimited supply of information and discussion. When I chanced upong these forums I was delighted. Here was a bunch of enlightened individuals with the same commonground as the alt.drugs groups only a lot more organised and a little more relevant (being based in Aus). The main attraction was the lack of spam , trolls and idiots.

If there is one thing I miss about usenet it's the trip report , the thing that made the trip report so special was that it was written from the heart and not from the heart of some ridiculous non-existent gnome. It won't be long before the next rule is put into place and then the next and then the next , maybe more to make a point then to set a "wanted" standard.

I propose that from here on in , major decisions be made collectively by the group instead of "on behalf" of the group. One or two moderators don't represent what we as a community want. Maybe we should put things like this to a vote. If it is decided that discussion of [insert basic right here] isn't wanted then we rule on it and I shut my big mouth and drift slowly away. I feel like im wearing handcuffs as I make posts these days. We are becoming far to restricted in what we can and can't write.

We are a diverse group here , lets unite and discuss our diversity in a happy and unrestricted way.

I have MUCH more to say on this matter but I have to go down the road for a while , i'll be back later this evening to further put myself in the shit.

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hey sb..

sure..it actually covers "the law, the internet, sex, drugs, your rights"

it has advice on starting out renting & buying a car, mobile phone contracts, returning to study etc..it's really not all that bad..but looks like the drugs section (about 3 pages) was inserted at the last minute or with little thought..

it's produced by Consumer and Business Affairs Victoria..you can order it from their website - www.consumer.vic.gov.au if it's a hassle, i can forward mine to you .. still wondering if i should just forget about it..i only take issue with a few paragraphs..

later

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Chem as a community I believe it would not be wrong of us to develop some reasonable, ethical approaches to drug use and stand by them.

You for one, should understand why.

Sorry Chem I do not have too much time, your being unreasonable and really insulting. frown.gif

Although I am all for discussion on topics that regard the community.

Us mods are learning to chem so do not be too quick to judge us, sure if it was me I would have acted differently but I didnt. I let Darklight handle it for that very reason. Sure I might slip up from time to time, I try not to though.

Give me some credit though chem you do have a tendancy to overreact as well do I.

If you actually took the time to read some of the things that I had written and be a little more constructive at least then I would spare more time to explain myself.

You will notice for example that I seperate drug use into three categories entertainment, sacramental and augmentative soon to be four when I split augmentative into two different categories. I think I am going to add research.

Be careful what you ask for Chem because I would step down and leave at the request of Torsten without a second thought, if he wanted me too and I would not complain, argue nor explain my actions.

There would be no fight nor drama for you to have, I would not let you have it.

Not only that I have an assignment to do and I do not have the time.

This forum is here so that there exists a place people who need us can find us.

[This message has been edited by ?SaToriBluE? (edited 25 September 2001).]

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Originally posted by Chemical Shaman:I think this "no more binge stories" rule is nothing short of absurd.

Fine then let's talk about it shall we. It was put as a request, and therefore open for discussion. Like I've always said, I'll leave my actions open here as transparent as possible right up to the point where I put my foot down. Sheesh love, it makes me equally sick to think you automatically assumed the worst of me and spat the dummy rather than simply putting your case and requesting an extended dialogue.

Every day this place is becoming increasingly restricted

Reckon? I can't be bothered making more rules here than I have to cos then I get to stay up and sort them out. A closer eye needs to be kept on things, as with any other group in the known universe, while the site is actively expanding.

This whole discussion is inevitable, so I can't be bothered taking it personally CS. And its a fair bet this isn't the first forum its happened on either, which is why over the years so many have set up, gone beyond the point of sustainability, and ppl have moved on.

Basically its a question of better judgement. Yes I may be too harsh in some of my decisions, but instead of copping it like a whipped cur and bitching about it afterwards or leaving it until its too late, why the hell don't you approach me like a grownup and assume some sort of civil debate is possible.

I move to vote that the role of moderator be renamed to "thought police" because it certainly feels like the imaginary 1984 that never took place.

*sigh* you are being seriously hysterical here, and you know it.

For stuff's sake, if anyone is appending power to the concept of moderatorship here it's the forum members. If nobody wants to discuss changes in a positive and balanced way, asssuming the worst of the ppl who are here to do a mere administrative job, and when they complain they leave it too late and start yelling that the moderators have all the power....then conngrats, you've just given all the power to the moderators

I'm running late for class, or I'd give you the whupping you deserve CS for assuming the worst of me. More will be typed inn a fit of passion later

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Erk, didn't even get a chance to read all your post CS...what's this, you're sure you're going to risk your posting privileges by opening up the topic for discussion? Sheesh you *are* being paranoid. Why would I suspend you for starting a dialogue?

I really have to go. I'll be back

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i basically agree with chem

i feel it is important to share

our experiences so we may learn

from others positive/negative

experiences.

but i do agree that we need to be

careful in what we say, so as not

to give the wrong idea to readers

of this forum

IMO, this place is full of smart,

respectable people and i look to

these forums for good advice and

interesting discussions and i

reckon many would agree with me

so people who read this stuff

really take it in

and if we start talking about

taking things to excess, although

we have all done it and it can be

great fun wink.gif, we give the wrong

impression to the community

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I think it would be fine to have binge stories so long as they are balanced. Unfortunately this would require posts from the people who have died and this might not be practical.

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I think most people know what is sensible to post, and not to post. But if some idiot posts "I drank a keg and smoked an ounce last night"

most of us know to ignore these sort of fools.

Sometimes sharing your experience is like part of the experience itself, some people really enjoy reading them and some like sharing them but I think we all deserve the right to share our experiences.

Please don't ban trip reports, binge stories and experiences.

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Originally posted by Chemical Shaman:

I propose that from here on in , major decisions be made collectively by the group instead of "on behalf" of the group. One or two moderators don't represent what we as a community want. Maybe we should put things like this to a vote.

Forget it! It's my ass on the line here and I trust certain people. Set up your own forum if you don't like the way this one is run. If you were more responsible you could have been a moderator yourself. But I certainly won't be told how to run this place by someone who risks other peoples lives and freedom (yes, you know exactly what I mean) and has precious little selfcontrol.

I feel like im wearing handcuffs as I make posts these days. We are becoming far to restricted in what we can and can't write.

And on the other hand we could just write whatever we like and this place would be closed down in a few weeks. Wake up CS!

As far as posting trip reports goes, I like them if they have some substance. However, little of what has been posted here in the form of trip reports makes worthwhile reading. It serves mostly to encourage others into competitive behaviour and possible dire consequences. If I find a trip report is directly linked to someones death, I would immediately shut this forum down. It would be shut down within a few days by authorities (helped by the media) anyway. This forum does not have to be everything to everyone. It is here for a particular purpose and I am happy to lock horns with anyone who wants to jeopardise that.

And your complaint that we are getting more and more rules is also porrly thought through. A few months ago we didn't need any rules, cos no one was interested in jeopardising this place and no one was taking it for granted. This has been changing slowly and as we encounter problem aspects and problem behaviour that threatens the survival of the forum, we are required to interfere - or otherwise let the whole thing die. If everyone spent a little time thinking about what they are going to post, then we wouldn't need to be here.

And satori -- chill out a bit. Most of the people here are genuine and don't require restricting. I know you have your hands full with Mulga and you probably get pissed off everytime he interferes here just like I do.

Everyone should know that we have weekly interference from Mulga and that he is not letting up with pestering us. Satori is usually the first on the case to deal with him - usually so quick that you all don't even know he was here. Last incident was yesterday, which probably got satori in a bit of a policing mood wink.gif

I really must thank Satori and Darklight and all other mods for doing this job. I haven't been around much and usually miss most of the action here. You people should all be greatful that the mods are keeping things together rather than giving them a hard time.

And as darklight said, this topic is open for discussion. Discuss it and don't attack people over it.

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Originally posted by ?SaToriBluE?:

Chem as a community I believe it would not be wrong of us to develop some reasonable, ethical approaches to drug use and stand by them.

I agree , but this is taking things way to far. A ban on binge stories?????

Ethical approaches to drug use?

Who decides what is ethical and un-ethical? Who's ethics?? Should I base my own personal drug use on somebody elses ethics? Or should I follow my own ethics but just not be allowed to share these experiences with others.

Us mods are learning to chem so do not be too quick to judge us, sure if it was me I would have acted differently but I didnt.

I understand that you guys are no different from anybody else and that you are learning too. Yes I was hasty with my remarks and didn't really give it as much thought as I should have. I wonder though , would you really have done as you said , would you really have deleted his post and suspended him immediately? That is just plain wrong...Wrong.

Give me some credit though chem you do have a tendancy to overreact as well do I.

Straight up , im probably the biggest hot head in town. I have an overwhelming tendancy to shoot off my mouth and it is always to my detriment. In retrospect I apologise for my heated words , they were just that , heated.

If you actually took the time to read some of the things that I had written and be a little more constructive at least then I would spare more time to explain myself.

I read everything , I just focussed my attention on the unfairness. You made some good points but I regard this whole issue as unecessary. Replies of dissaproval could have just been made directly to the thread and everyone should have been allowed to have a voice with regard to the matter instead of what did happen. A ban on binge stories? I am still in disbelief.

This is not the only issue I have with regard to this forum but I depsise politics and I hate stirring the pot , I just don't want to see the forum turn into the place it should never become.

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Originally posted by Darklight:

Sheesh love, it makes me equally sick to think you automatically assumed the worst of me and spat the dummy rather than simply putting your case and requesting an extended dialogue.

I didn't assume the worst of you. I think you are doing a fine job. The dummy spitting wasn't aimed at you. I am sorry that I spat the dummy , I don't think you would have paid as much attention to this particular issue without outside influence. Im sorry if I have offended you , I still luv ya hun. Now that it is here though I hope people do make the time to contribute to an open discussion.

*sigh* you are being seriously hysterical here, and you know it.

Okay I admit I was smirking my ass off when I wrote that........................ biggrin.gif

. If nobody wants to discuss changes in a positive and balanced way,

This is not how it was arranged , the first statement read "From today binge stories will be deleted and the author notified. Repeat offenders risk suspension or culling".

when they complain they leave it too late and start yelling that the moderators have all the power

I left it too late??

I was just going to shrug my shoulders about the whole thing and sigh a dissaproving sigh until I read Satoris comments , as soon as I read them I got the fingers pumping? I don't get what you mean by leaving it too late...

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Originally posted by Chemical Shaman:

The dummy spitting wasn't aimed at you. I am sorry that I spat the dummy , I don't think you would have paid as much attention to this particular issue without outside influence.

Who was influencing darklight?? Who were you spitting the dummy at?

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Originally posted by Torsten:

But I certainly won't be told how to run this place by someone who risks other peoples lives and freedom

Ouch that was a pretty low jab Tort , I don't think it was necessary to get personal and outright insulting , but i'll take it and move on. Im not trying to tell you how to run your forums. Im trying to tell you how people want their forum run. How do I risk other peoples freedom? What are you talking about , please enlighten "someone like me".

and has precious little selfcontrol.

I have plenty of self control. You are talking about the past. You are using mistakes I have made in the past to hurt and belittle me. I don't even really touch drugs at all these days , I take a handful of vitamins 3 times a day and smoke the very occasional bud. My binge days are well and truly over and ended ages ago. I would still like to do one or two every few months but I don't plan on doing anything unsafe. Everyone has made mistakes in the past Torsten , im sure you aren't perfect (pretty damn close tho) and even you have made mistakes. Is it fair that you be judged over things that happened long ago?

And on the other hand we could just write whatever we like and this place would be closed down in a few weeks. Wake up CS!

I have no idea where the hell this idea comes from but frankly I find it absurd. Why people are so paranoid that this place will be shut down I have no idea. I could complie a list as long as my arm of websites and forums and newsgroups that deal specifically with illegal drug manufacture , child pornography , racism and violence , hacking , credit card fraud etc. that have been around for years and years and aren't going anywhere. Why would the police try and shut down a social forum that contains the odd bit of minor drug chat when there are forums that deal specifically with step by step drug amphetamine manufacture?

Do you think they would say "Lets shut down that forum with all them druggos but we'll leave the forums with all the drug makers alone.." I seriously doubt this place is going anywhere , why would they shuyt it down? What possible reason could they have? And what possible reason would they have for not shutting down other forums that have been up for years but be hell bent on taking this one down. Far too much paranoia floating round these parts.

as darklight said, this topic is open for discussion. Discuss it and don't attack people over it.

I am sorry about the whole attacking thing. You know im a hot head. I've written enough for tonight anyhow.

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Chem all I am saying is that we, by we I mean the community should promote responsible drug use over irresponsible drug abuse. I mean it really is an infinite shade of gray kinda thing, this is reality last time I checked and a certain amount of common sense is required.

I do believe Skitz crossed the line on it, that is why I brought it to our attention. Things just got a bit blown out of hand as they do, but I decided to make it an example. Actually I think this has gone much smoother then normal smile.gif

I do not condone excessive drug abuse, I do not know how others feel but I for one do not condone irresponsible and excessive drug abuse. For one reason, because I am a tower of possible addiction. I am not ashamed of my addictions, I love getting high with a passion but I know what excess leads to. After more than a decade of suffering under the weight of multiple addictions, I have finally been set free from it. For however long that will last, partly I might add through the wonder that is ethnobotany and have been given a new perspective on it that I have never had before. I have been using the time to think about it.

In the process I have learned something, I have learned that not only can I enjoy ingesting certain plants, I can do it in a way that really brings out the best aspects of the experience and it does not need to be to ridiculous excess. In fact with a little discipline and so long as a person has the time for recovery, they can get high guilt free if they have the time and right knowledge.

I will not glorify drug use to excess whether intravenous, oral, anal, nasal or implants. I think it is an important topic for the community to think about over the course of its existence. I just think the issue is really important and I want to make sure you realize it.

It is not as black and white as a ban, it is an issue of importance that effects the community that I take full responsibility for drawing to your attention.

[This message has been edited by ?SaToriBluE? (edited 26 September 2001).]

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Originally posted by Chemical Shaman:

Ouch that was a pretty low jab Tort , I don't think it was necessary to get personal and outright insulting

I was pointing out that there are people who are very responsible and constructive, and have been so for a long time. And they don't usually make serious mistakes. You attacked them. I defended them as I value their efforts.

Im not trying to tell you how to run your forums. Im trying to tell you how people want their forum run.

No, you are telling us how YOU want the forum run. I get a lot of feedback about the forums (probably a lot more than you) and I form policies on that basis.

How do I risk other peoples freedom? What are you talking about , please enlighten "someone like me".

You risked getting someone raided and possibly jailed in one of you hot-head moments. You were banned from the forums for that. If you don't remember this, you will need to e-mail me privately as I can't give more details without being incriminating to others.

I have plenty of self control. You are talking about the past. You are using mistakes I have made in the past to hurt and belittle me.

I was neither trying to hurt nor belittle you. I was pointing out the differences between you and the people that care for these forums and have reliably dedicated their time and effort. I love your presence here, but you have to admit that it has been somewhat demanding in the past. The past is all I can go by. We are all products of our experiences and while I always give people the beenfit of the doubt, you have to face up to your past. If you don't face up to it, you can't learn from it. And if you really face up to it, then it shouldn't bother you that I mentioned it.

Everyone has made mistakes in the past Torsten , im sure you aren't perfect (pretty damn close tho) and even you have made mistakes. Is it fair that you be judged over things that happened long ago?

Yes it is fair. I am the sum of my experiences.

Why would the police try and shut down a social forum that contains the odd bit of minor drug chat when there are forums that deal specifically with step by step drug amphetamine manufacture?

Because this particular forum is provided by a legal entity in australia. We partially operate under australian law.

And what possible reason would they have for not shutting down other forums that have been up for years but be hell bent on taking this one down. Far too much paranoia floating round these parts.

Plenty of these forums and sites have had to move or close for simply these reasons. Several have been raided and shut down. It's not paranoia. I prefer to err on the safe side and maybe still be here in a few years.

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