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Malpighiaceae's In Australia - Names, Taxonomy, Identification and a bloody good yarn. (WIP)

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No worries mate,

Those pictures you posted have confirmed my suspicions and yours look exactly like the plowman B.Muricata photos I previously posted.

Thanks again, Much appreciated brother!

Cheers

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Banisteriopsis Muricata "Black Caapi, Brujo Vine"

Vine Base:

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Vine.

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Leaves and flowers

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Leaves

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Leaves

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Nectaries with Cielo in background.

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Seeds

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Photo credits Zaka, T.Plowman, João de Deus Medeiros.

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Banisteriopsis caapi "Trueno / Thunder" - Australia

Vine Base:

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Vines

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Vines

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Leaves

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Leaves

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Nectaries

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Bush

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Note: I have on purpose left out the ambiguity of rattle because I have always called and known this vine as Trueno or Thunder.

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BTW boys and girls post some vines! I am getting lonely here with just old mate Zaka keeping me company! :(

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B) Don't have anything to input so I'm just going to hang because this thread's pretty cool!

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Irie,

Just to let you all know, I'm still around, although I've been "sell-out" busy with my business & had no time for the garden.

Going to be traveling again for a few weeks.

Hope to get some more pics posted later next month!? Maybe?

Respect,

Z

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Irie,

So I was a little surprised to see my banisteriopsis muricata come into flower in November!

Hoping for seeds in Feb 2014?

Respect,

Z

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Banisteriopsis caapi " Medicine Garden -- I think it is also called Cielo"

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and here is a picture of the same vine a few years ago before i had to move and and relocate it

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it transplanted really easy. I cut it back ;) dug it up and put it in a pot for a bit, then planted it out to it's new home. It jumped back into action pretty quickly. The top picture i just took the other day and it is the same plant.

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Hi, I'm not in Australia but I think I still count as "down under".. And my plants are nothing on the beauties in this thread of course, but I have two very different-looking banisteriopsis caapi plants. One I believe is a dwarf form, I have been told perhaps it may be called a "snake caapi" and the other seems to be growing normally, albeit very slowly.

Both plants have struggled over winter, so I will have to show photos from last summer to show the true nature of the dwarf.

Here is the dwarf (may 2013)

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Here is the more vigorous plant (may 2013)

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And now today,

The dwarf is not happy! It has lost most of its leaves and nearly died after I gave it to my ex. I asked for it back in the hope of saving it, thankfully he agreed that was fair. I snipped off the dead part of the stem and repotted in nice soil.

*If anyone has any life-saving caapi cultivation tips that would be much appreciated.*

.. Otherwise I will just give it lots of TLC!

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My other plant which is in the greenhouse. It has been growing well and I think it is just beginning another growth spurt. It lost many leaves to slugs a while back but has come away again with new shoots.

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Interesting little curl on the end of a leaf

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My seed came from this thread:

http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=33965&hl=

This was the description the seeds were sold with:

I've asked the vendor and he told me the seeds are from "Tucunaca" strain (sometimes written Tukunaca, or Tukunaka), but he also grows Caupuri (knotted caapi), and i grow them pretty close one of each other. The caupuri rarely set seeds, or when it does set seeds the quantity produced is very limited. So I have a mix but there should be a few Caupuri seeds or even hybrids of both, but most of the seeds will show Tucunaca characteristics.

Link to a post containing photos of the parent plants

http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=33965&p=396547

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Good to see somebody's got a bit of a database started - although I think I may already have disagreed with you once before Trailblazer on aya vine taxonomy :lol:

Namely, I don't think there's sufficient evidence to say that Caupuri is synonymous with Cascabel. From everything I've seen and read Cascabel = Rattle = (possibly) Thunder.

I haven't seen the names Caupuri and Cascabel used interchangeably for the same plant anywhere but in your posts actually. All the decent sources I could locate when I researched this extensively for my thread on it a while back definitely used the names Rattle and Cascabel interchangeably, and a picture that a member on here (Micromegas?) posted of a plant they were shown on a visit to Peru which the shaman called Cascabel was definitely not what is commonly called Caupuri (which is the common name for the very distinctive swollen-node strain).

Of course, I'm not saying that Cascabel couldn't be synonymous with Caupuri - that was actually my initial hunch on finding out that the name Cascabel refers to a South-American rattlesnake, who's tail would quite resemble the swollen nodes...and especially because the Amazon basin has so many different languages and hence names for what can sometimes be the same plant....I'm just saying that unless you have compelling evidence for it and contrary to the above, it's probably best not to confuse the issue and to stick with the consensus of commonly accepted names.

Otherwise we just end up with a taxonomic mess where it becomes difficult to navigate conversations, like what has happened with some named cactus clones (and even species, if you read Trout and Michael Smith's shenanigans :lol:).

Not having a go at you by the way, just trying to contribute what I can :innocent_n:

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there is also a strain that Dean Jefferys brought in. not sure where that fits into things.

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