Auxin Posted September 29, 2013 Question.. on pereskiopsis grafts of cristates what kind of training or guiding is best to make the thing nice for eventual degrafting and rooting? I dont want them to swallow up the pereskiopsis and turn into giant amorphous blobs of crest. 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mutant Posted September 29, 2013 in my small experience of degrafting, I think it pays more to degraft as the graft is still strong and active. I think the scion will root much easier that way, when active. So yeah, cut the pere, but it always depends on the underside of the scion - you could take some piece to regraft on trichocereus too... Cutting the underside of the scion wouldnt be so much problem, trichos often root from the calous Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EthnoGuy85 Posted September 29, 2013 Never had a problem rooting degrafted Tricho's. even small pups have rooted in as little as 2-3 weeks as long as it's warm and they're in active growth it shouldn't be a problem Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Auxin Posted September 29, 2013 Yeah, rooting isnt such a problem, my primary concern would be any engulfed section of pereskiopsis eventually rotting, if they grow like balls with the graft union in the center that would be a lot to cut away to get the pereskiopsis bits excised. I was envisioning something along the lines of maintaining a cone of aluminum foil on the graft to shade the underside so the blob grows like a cone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zelly Posted September 30, 2013 I was envisioning something along the lines of maintaining a cone of aluminum foil on the graft to shade the underside so the blob grows like a cone. good luck with that LoL. Plants seem to have a mind of their own when it comes to growing, you'd have better results in cutting back the growth in areas you don't want it to occur than trying to force the plant to grow one way or anther.. I wouldnt even worry about the bits of pereskiopsis left behind as it too should root. If you want it totally gone, you could always machine it out in the drill press... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irabionist Posted September 30, 2013 NOT MINE, BUT TOO BEAUTIFUL NOT TO POST! It's a TBMC from Italy... I wish it was mine... 14 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Auxin Posted September 30, 2013 In my experience, pereskiopsis left on too long will eventually have the graft union become more of a problem than a help, culminating in causing rot to go right up the center of the scion. I've lost half of several, and all of a couple big 12+ month old scions that way. Less common with columnars, but I still dont like the risk. That TBMC will be awesome in 5 years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nitrogen Posted October 1, 2013 Wow, that TBMC is awesome! When degrafting trichos, is it necessary to core out the pereskiopsis from the graft union? If you just cut it straight across then some of the pereski is left in the center where the tricho has grown around it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mushroomman Posted October 1, 2013 Iv been leaving a few cms of the trich left on the stock to pup. But I know ppl who just repot the graft so the peres and a few cms of the trich are under the soil and the peres turns into a mass of roots and continues with the fast growth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mutant Posted October 2, 2013 (edited) The TBMC is the one sold a couple days before in ebay, righty? it sold for 130 euros or something, lol what clone is this? also Auxin in regards with bits of pere, fuck that. I tried to root a lopho caespitosa, after I removed the lower pups that formed the lower half of the ball. I kept a good 3-4 cm of the pere stock. After a while, the stock had died, and the lopho had thrown roots! Now its rooted on its own. (EDIT!!) Pere died and rotted but it did NOT harm the scion! Edited October 6, 2013 by mutant Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EthnoGuy85 Posted October 3, 2013 BK 08612.9 Peruvianus cristata found amongst a batch of seedlings sown out around May. And a degrafted seedling from the same batch. Should be a nice blue crest one day 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tizocAu Posted October 4, 2013 (edited) All the pups starting to drop and add ribs just like there brothere clones. They will continue to do this making a melted pachanoi look Edited October 4, 2013 by tizoc4u Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zelly Posted October 5, 2013 Hey tiz, do you see all the salt/mineral build up on the inside of the clay pot? I wonder if that's any good for the roots and the overall healthiness of your plant. I'm thinking it would probably be a good idea to pull it out of that pot & re pot it in a new clay pot, black plastic, or even a glazed clay pot. It might even be root bound and trimming back all the matted up roots could be a good thing. Judging from the size of the stump, the pups should be a lot fatter..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mutant Posted October 7, 2013 (edited) I cant help myself : I have to show off my new buy (including an awesome find!) Echinocereus pentalophus cristate mammilaria spinossima crest (bonus gift) Myrtillocalicium chimera (graft) Myrtillocactus crest + varietaga (graft) Cereus something crest +veriegata Polaskia chichipe crest Azureocereus crest Echinopsis crest cv mauve Edited October 7, 2013 by mutant 12 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jox Posted October 7, 2013 Fuuuurrrrrkkkk ! That chimera is amazing. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoOnThen Posted October 7, 2013 What a great score of mutants Mutant. How long have you been sitting there staring at them for. I can see it now you will wander off to do something else but you find yourself back looking at them again in wonder. Cheers Got 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tizocAu Posted October 7, 2013 Hey tiz, do you see all the salt/mineral build up on the inside of the clay pot? I wonder if that's any good for the roots and the overall healthiness of your plant. I'm thinking it would probably be a good idea to pull it out of that pot & re pot it in a new clay pot, black plastic, or even a glazed clay pot. It might even be root bound and trimming back all the matted up roots could be a good thing. Judging from the size of the stump, the pups should be a lot fatter..... Its not salt built up. I think its some sort of paint. The pot what painted with a white glazed effect color Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hostilis Posted October 8, 2013 (edited) Here are some more of my freaks. Picture 1: Pink, yellow, white, and green variegated L. williamsii caespitosa (correct me if you think it's a different species of loph) grafted to a hyclocereus. Better picture of the colors Picture 2: Lophophora Jourdaniana grafted to a Harrisia. Edited October 8, 2013 by hostilis 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hostilis Posted October 9, 2013 Just got this one and i absolutely have to post it here. :D Myrtillocalycium polyp chimera. 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hellonasty Posted October 10, 2013 I really like those Myrtillo/gymno chimera's you even get the funky colour of the gymno !! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hostilis Posted October 10, 2013 (edited) Yeah, this doesn't look like it's from the normal clone that's floating around where the gymno was orange/red. This came from a yellow gymnoclycium i think. I like it. Edited October 10, 2013 by hostilis Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
myco Posted October 10, 2013 (edited) Here are some more of my freaks. Picture 1: Pink, yellow, white, and green variegated L. williamsii caespitosa (correct me if you think it's a different species of loph) grafted to a hyclocereus. 10-5 (1).jpg Better picture of the colors $(KGrHqV,!k8FIf2CDoQFBSNTLTmFOg~~60_3.JPG they are definately caespitose willis oh how i miss my variegated caespitose wills such colourfull lil guys edit: mutant that chimera is AMAZING love it Edited October 10, 2013 by myco Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IndianDreaming Posted October 10, 2013 My first freak... anyone care to name it? And... Mutant loph?? Hiding there amongst the round bobbly ones is a little forked one! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hostilis Posted October 10, 2013 (edited) I have no idea what that is man. I almost thought it was some kind of monstrose myrtillocactus. Where'd you find it? And that seedling looks like an opuntia seedling to me almost. Def doesn't look like a loph, but who knows. Can't wait to see it when it's older. Myco, what happened to yours? That is a tragedy that they're gone. Edited October 10, 2013 by hostilis Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
myco Posted October 10, 2013 (edited) i had a little visit by some bad bad ignorant people and had they took them all away check out the legal matters forum for the lophophora illegal in Western Australia thread theres a couple of pics of em here http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=35482&hl=%2Brooting+%2Bvariegated+%2Blophs Edited October 10, 2013 by myco Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
