Lumberjack origins?

[spinyGator]

Some pics of my now official "Centipede", which I think is way better than the Lumberjackus

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[Getafix]

Now I do like a spiny cactus, especially one with obvious Bridgesii heritage, tell us about this plant!!

getafix

[M S Smith]

Well I was actually hoping to see a photo of the larger plant.

~Michael~

[zelly]

Well I was actually hoping to see a photo of the larger plant.

~Michael~

here you go Michael:

wait for the page to load, then scroll down.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Trichocereus-Bridgesii-Peruvianus-Hybrid-cv-Lumberjackus-San-pedro-cactus-/201039515227?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ecee38e5b&nma=true&si=bBLy631VVt2t8WON%252Fr0AbOcdkDU%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

and here it is when the ebay link goes away:

Trichocereus Bridgesii Peruvianus Hybrid CV _Lumberjackus_ San Pedro Cactus _ eBay2.pdf

Gosh, i wish i had big cultivar and make money out of seeds instead

well if you wouldn't chop 60" of plant into 10 six inch cuts, maybe your plants could mature enough to flower & set seeds

Trichocereus Bridgesii Peruvianus Hybrid CV _Lumberjackus_ San Pedro Cactus _ eBay2.pdf

Trichocereus Bridgesii Peruvianus Hybrid CV _Lumberjackus_ San Pedro Cactus _ eBay2.pdf

[Halcyon Daze]

nice plants

Edited June 3, 2014 by Halcyon Daze

[M S Smith]

Oh, sorry, I was hoping to see the mother plant of the "Johnny (macrogonus) Hairy" of post #38. I'm not sure why this plant has now been renamed as "Centipede" in post #51.

~Michael~

Edited February 21, 2014 by M S Smith

[Optimystic]

they're very cool looking plants, i'll give you props on your garden you got some nice stuff @ spinygator

I'm really fond of the spiny ones and its great to see them in a zone 10 where they can grow to their

full potential and boast those gnarly spines... imo, the plant formerly known as centipede (is johnny mac

and centipede the same plant?) looks more like a bridgesii crossed with a bridgesii... perhaps its the rare,

infamous Longispinus strain <laff>

im just curious, the ppl who bought them while the auction was open claiming it was an LJ cross...

are you letting them know it was a guess? several ppl bid the prices up on those (for some short cuttings

at that) and I wonder how many of them knew better! it would have been ez to say "appears similar in habit

to Lumberjack" Do you have any pics of the new growth/new spines on the plant? that might be interesting

[spinyGator]

Oh, sorry, I was hoping to see the mother plant of the "Johnny (macrogonus) Hairy" of post #38. I'm not sure why this plant has now been renamed as "Centipede" in post #51.

~Michael~

sorry to confuse you michael, I was joking around if you ever notice. Johnny McHairy sounds funny, plus Johnny MacHiary sound similar, so i joke at MAC(rogonus). but yes it was the same plant that you see with long ridiculous spines. As one picture i put "variation of stems and spines" if you ever notice. All the same plant. However, as it mature it loss the spines as you can see the gigantic cutting i posted. Also, i follwed the trichocereus for 5 plus years but still couldnt tell a damn different between a peru and a mac

[spinyGator]

they're very cool looking plants, i'll give you props on your garden you got some nice stuff @ spinygator

I'm really fond of the spiny ones and its great to see them in a zone 10 where they can grow to their

full potential and boast those gnarly spines... imo, the plant formerly known as centipede (is johnny mac

and centipede the same plant?) looks more like a bridgesii crossed with a bridgesii... perhaps its the rare,

infamous Longispinus strain <laff>

im just curious, the ppl who bought them while the auction was open claiming it was an LJ cross...

are you letting them know it was a guess? several ppl bid the prices up on those (for some short cuttings

at that) and I wonder how many of them knew better! it would have been ez to say "appears similar in habit

to Lumberjack" Do you have any pics of the new growth/new spines on the plant? that might be interesting

ya i did, i told them they can send them back to me without losing a dime transaction. I did sent some good aged one like this to a few of the bidders earlier. Hope they don't mind the long spines

[spinyGator]

mature branch with fully opened spines

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[spinyGator]

[spinyGator]

Now I do like a spiny cactus, especially one with obvious Bridgesii heritage, tell us about this plant!!

getafix

Another thing i can say is, this thing is extremely bitter

[M S Smith]

sorry to confuse you michael, I was joking around if you ever notice. Johnny McHairy sounds funny, plus Johnny MacHiary sound similar, so i joke at MAC(rogonus) . but yes it was the same plant that you see with long ridiculous spines. As one picture i put "variation of stems and spines" if you ever notice. All the same plant. However, as it mature it loss the spines as you can see the gigantic cutting i posted. Also, i follwed the trichocereus for 5 plus years but still couldnt tell a damn different between a peru and a mac

Sorry about that, yeah, you did confuse me a bit. And I'm not without a sense of humor, but I take it your not a comedian eh? Me neither, hell, not even as a hobby. As for telling the difference between T. peruvianus and T. macrogonus, well there doesn't appear to be one. Just a single variable species. I'm comfortable calling that species T. peruvianus, but I know Trout has pointed toward the possible primacy of the name T. macrogonus. Either way, it's one or the other, which still makes them the same species. T. pachanoi falls in there too, but it would probably be best regarded as a cultivar.

~Michael~

[nitrogen]

When in doubt, don't name a clone - and most certainly don't ever name a clone the same as an existing clone if you're not absolutely sure!

We need to be really sure of things when we go and label an unknown clone as a known clone.

Trichos are so variable looking based on environmental factors - lots of bridgesii will look like a Lumberjackus if they're stressed - in fact, in my experience, all bridgesii start to look very similar if they're really stressed and on old growth - you need healthy fresh growth to even begin to be able to tell.

That's the problem with cannabis - there's all this debate about the parentage of some of our preeminent strains like OG Kush and Girl Scout Cookies - and unscrupulous breeders label similar looking phenotypes of other strains as "OG" or "GSC" and it fucks everything up because then those get bred with other strains and once that happens you can't go back and the gene pool is irrevocably contaminated..

If you go selling someone a clone that isn't Lumberjackus but looks like it and so you call it "Lumberjackus" - and that person then crosses it with another tricho, calling it "Lumberjackus X pachanoi" or whatever, but it wasn't a Lumberjackus after all - well then, you can see the problem..

Entheogenic cactus breeding is at a much earlier stage than is the cannabis breeding, and we have the chance to do it right - same with hybrid seed - if you think it may have been pollinated by a different father or by multiple fathers - disclose that. I know in my case if there's any chance there was open-pollination I make that clear - such as with the "huarazensis x N1" cross from a few years back - with that one, me and the guy I made the cross with believed it may have been open-pollinated instead due to old N1 pollen we used - So, everybody was told up front it might be open-pollinated and that way people don't breed the progeny with other trichos and say its "huarazensis x N1 x ____ because they don't know for sure and don't want to throw everything off..

Edited February 22, 2014 by nitrogen

[Halcyon Daze]

Absolutely agree. There's no need to use clone names if you're not 100% sure, there's no excuse. That's the whole point of naming a clone. It's simply not honest IMO.

But

It happens eventually and everyone knows it. Even with cannabis or orchids! New names and breeds will always come along to supercede the old ones.

That's why it pays to deal with reputable members.

spinyGator, yr cacti are very nice. They speak for themselves mate

[Philocacti]

Here's my lumberjack, I got it from nitrogen but after 2 years of stalling this season it started bursting with new growth

[spinyGator]

Here's my lumberjack, I got it from nitrogen but after 2 years of stalling this season it started bursting with new growth

nice cutting man, the ridges looks exactly like mine

[blizznshot]

I am a bit confused, as I'm pretty sure Smith's LJ came from me back in 2006ish. If that is the case, then it was originally sourced from Neonaut.

My LJ looks just like Smith's, as well as the next 3 or 4 in that post. The "Neonaut" plant does not really look like the plant he gave me, which I subsequenty have to Smith and many others.

Perhaps it is just a growing conditions thing though, as the plants don't appear to be radically different.

[spinyGator]

I am a bit confused, as I'm pretty sure Smith's LJ came from me back in 2006ish. If that is the case, then it was originally sourced from Neonaut.

My LJ looks just like Smith's, as well as the next 3 or 4 in that post. The "Neonaut" plant does not really look like the plant he gave me, which I subsequenty have to Smith and many others.

Perhaps it is just a growing conditions thing though, as the plants don't appear to be radically different.

I don't think growing conditions contribute that much to the phenotypic looks. It is obvious the type from smith is very skinny and blue while the other type is just fat and green. I think there is at least 2 strains of lumberjack out there

[someone]

How long have you been growing cacti spiny? I have seen the same cactus grown in two different states in different climates.drastically change their appearance.

What makes you think there are two lumberjack out there?

Also I have to know why are you charging such an exorbiant amount of money for such a small cutting? Slapping a name on it does not increase its value to those in the scene so clearly you are out to rip off naive newcomers. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

[BillyThKid]

How long have you been growing cacti spiny? I have seen the same cactus grown in two different states in different climates.drastically change their appearance.

What makes you think there are two lumberjack out there?

Also I have to know why are you charging such an exorbiant amount of money for such a small cutting? Slapping a name on it does not increase its value to those in the scene so clearly you are out to rip off naive newcomers. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

And you are clearly a troll going around the forum trying to start things with myself and others.

This site is not here for you to speculate on peoples intentions of ripping off, nor should it be for insulting people like you did to me.

Did not realize you were a specialist in Cacti IDs, glad you can tell the hundreds if not thousands of cultivars and hybrids out there.

[someone]

No need to id plants I have personally grown, traded, and kept in contact with the growers I gave them away to. You know something you can do when you are not focused on amassing cacti and take the time to.grow them out.

[Philocacti]

I strongly believe growing conditions change the phenotype of a clone.

I have a pachanoi that turns bluish in shaded places and yellowish green in sunny places.

[blizznshot]

I agree Philo.

And to add to that, it's hard to tell just how different (or the same?) the "Smith LJ" is from the "Neonaut LJ" based solely on a couple pics.

They should be the same plant. If anything, I'm wondering if the picture of the Neonaut specimen is perhaps incorrect? Not to insult the poster, but it really does look different from the LJ I got from him about 8 years ago.

In terms of "more than one LJ going around," LJ is the identity of a clone. As such, there is only one. Just like The Highlander. There could be 500 plants going around that are named "LJ," and 400 of them might even be amazing plants, but there is only one true LJ in the strict sense of a clone.

Edited June 3, 2014 by blizznshot

[nitrogen]

Actually yes the growing conditions dramatically affect the phenotype - that's abundantly obvious to anyone who has grown these cacti for awhile in different environments.. Your "centipede" or whatever you're calling it on ebay these days would, for instance, not have such long spines if it were shade grown - at that point it might look a lot more like the Baker or KGC clone etc..

SpinyGator no offense, but I suspect people like MSSmith and many others on here have forgotten more about trichocereus cacti than you have yet learned.. If you're selling cuts of that thing on ebay and suggesting it's a Lumberjackus just because you think it sort of looks like one then you're doing the community a serious disservice..