1-4-b?

[gomaos]

I think that perhaps GHB is illegal, while

1-4-butanediol is not (yet).

One forum member had a real bad experience with cops turning up and turning his place upside down, just because he tried to import GHBprecursors.

[somnif]

On-Lucid, you should very much prefer to purchase

locally rather than import. Also read my above

post where I recommend caution in purchasing

locally

(with out taking the time to look up the act;

reciting from memory...)

The Customs Act has a clause in which it is

essentially stated that they can prosecute for any

Direct Precursor to a scheduled substance as if it

was the scheduled substance itself.

Their interpretation of Direct Precursor would be

'proven' by a written statement by a professional

chemist.

I haven't looked lately, but I do recall some

1,4-BD -> GHB reactions probably via GBL; yep

here we have one:

http://rhodium.ws/chemistry/bd2gbl.html

Also be aware that they will also probably do a

'Controlled Delivery' so that they can attach you

to the import and throw a posession charge at you

also (actually, I don't think they could do that

as 1,4 isn't explicitly scheduled - they'll

probably just be creative and throw something like

a conspiricy to manufacture a scheduled substance?)

So after they have searched through your (parents)

home to see what other mischief you've been up to,

(and in the process uncovered dirty magazines which

you'd hidden one evening many years ago in a burst

of Catholic guilt and had eventually forgotten

existed) you explain to them that you were only

importing the substance to clean your CDs.

"Ah ha," Mr. Law Enforcement Officer says to

himself, making a note that you have admitted to

being the 'sponser' (I think that is the legal

term) of the package. His job is now much easier.

Imagine what else they might uncover in your home.

Shit, in Queensland (mostly due to an anti GHB

media campaign BTW) there is a law which

explicitly prohibits the posession of documents

describing illegal drug synthesis!

You think this is unfair and wish to fight it?

Then be aware that if you fail to win, you will

be up for costs incurred by Custsoms in prosecuting

you (same if you plead guilty, but they would be

significantly less I'd imagine). The rules for

Customs in the court are a little different also,

in that the extent to which they have to prove

that you in fact imported the substance (ie. they

do not have to show to the extent of Beyond

Reasonable Doubt)

The Customs act used to state that you could be

convicted if you "knowingly or recklessly" imported

a prohibited substance, but under the guise of

hardening up our importation laws for the Sydney

Olympics the scope for convictions was broadened

significantly (not sure what the exact wording is

off the top of my head)

So imagine that you've either been found guilty

or pleaded guilty - forget any overseas travel to

the 'states (and various other places) as you have

a conviction for importing what they regard as a

Schedule I substance (remember your ultimate charge

is of Importing GHB, not 1,4-bd).

At least you can tell your friends that you were a

'Mister Big' if you tried to bring in over a litre

(have a look at:

http://scaleplus.law.gov.au/html/pastereg/.../0/PR000080.htm ) :

 

quote:

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4-Hydroxybutanoic acid (GHB)

 

Commerical quantity 1.0kg

 

Trafficable quantity 2.0g

 

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Since the United States Government went after

Daniel Pelchatt (have a look at the propagana:

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/ongoing/webslinger.html

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/020919/6/p1z5.html ) I

legit suppliers are much harder to come

by.

I am not saying that the above would be your

experience if you decided to import, just that

you should be aware that it is a possible outcome

which you should take steps to avoid.

BTW if you do happen to find yourself in a

situation similar to above, follow this golden

rule: Say nothing about the matter until you have

seen a lawyer. Actually, I'll put it in bold as

it will save you so much grief:

Say nothing about the matter until you have

seen a lawyer.

Oh, and get a lawyer who knows their shit, ie.

not someone who spends most of their time setting

up trusts for rich arseholes.

 

quote:

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One forum member had a real bad experience with cops turning up and turning his place upside down, just because he tried to import GHB precursors.

 

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Wonder if we can get him to post his story?

Poor thing; though I hear he fought the case hard

an managed to mostly get off with no conviction due

to exceptional circumstances - however this was

before the substance had been demonised as being

a Date Rape Drug and having no medical value (I

have a clipping from a Sunday Herald Sun (ie

very conservative paper) from around 1997

where a medical advice column written by Dr. Wright

recommends GHB as a successful treatment for

alcoholism - so true!)

Pity there weren't resources such as SAB and EA

forums when she decided to take the plunge.

Praise the forums, use 'em wisely!

[ 15. February 2003, 06:37: Message edited by: somnif ]

[Auxin]

"Actually, I'll put it in bold as

it will save you so much grief:

Say nothing about the matter until you have

seen a lawyer."

Thats not bold enough for that very important piece of advice. Here, try this...

Say nothing about the matter until you have

seen a lawyer.

[loaded]

Thanks for the advice somnif. Im sure one or another of you have dealt with the bastards, and I can only attest to the effort theyll go through to get you to say something incriminating on tape. Say nothing indeed...

Also somebody please write to me and let me know what the plan is. I would very much like to be included and im sure some people here on the forum could vouch for me.

Edited September 30, 2006 by loaded

[Thelema]

SI, my cds are dirty too. [email protected]

[ 17. February 2003, 15:47: Message edited by: Thelema ]

[Thelema]

[ 19. February 2003, 16:03: Message edited by: Thelema ]

[gomaos]

Cool!

alas we got our man in perth!

[turk182]

aloha good people,

if anyone could PM me with info muchos gracias

turk182

[Shorza]

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Edited September 26, 2021 by Shorza

[gomaos]

Good luck!

My CDs are very dirty too...

specially the one in my forehead....

[gomaos]

double post...sorry!

[ 02. July 2003, 08:11: Message edited by: gomaos ]

[Shorza]

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Edited September 26, 2021 by Shorza

[Veronica]

Yep...very hard to get know:(

I have a little left that I treat like gold I dont know what I'am going to do when thats gone.

[mescalito]

There was aplace in NZ that sold it under various guises,don't know if they still sell it,but I think it would be hard to get into the country.

They were selling muscle building supps.,and legal herbal highs!

Maybe here

web page

[ 03. July 2003, 12:38: Message edited by: mescalito ]

[gomaos]

Last thing I heard he's not selling it anymore. But maybe he's taken it up again... who knows...?

[mescalito]

Side-note:

Has rooting hormone have any relationship to 1-4-b??

It's some Butyric Acid or something ??

[Slarty Fart Blaster]

1,4-butanediol

Not sure what relation to rooting hormone you are thinking of.

[mescalito]

Indole-3-Butyric acid!!

Surely the chem heads out there can convert this ??

[Shorza]

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Edited September 26, 2021 by Shorza

[Auxin]

"Indole-3-Butyric acid!!

Surely the chem heads out there can convert this ??"

JESUS!!! Well, you could- but who would want to?

Especially when making it from apples is so much easier (no, I wont tell you how- if you wanna know you'll have to read a book )

[turk182]

si:

 

quote:

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Originally posted by gomaos:

 

Just wondering if this excellent cd cleaner is available anywhere in oz at the moment.

 

Does anyone know where to get some?

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How much do you need ???

Si,

I would like some, please contact me via pm or email,

gracias

[Shorza]

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Edited September 26, 2021 by Shorza

[kitty]

ditto that!

[email protected]

[DreamingNagual]

OK, Hypotheticaly Lets say ones gnome was going for a business holiday to NZ, Would said gnome be easily able to procure this product?

If it was possible but then the gnome accidentaly broke the packaging,

Would he be safe to repackage in something suitable such as a hard spirits bottle to get it back to the land of oz with no hassle?

[gomaos]

How about buying a bottle of cheap commercial Cd Cleaner (the cheapest!) throwing that out and refilling the bottle with the good stuff?

In any case, you're only carrying cd cleaner...

Then again, it's probably easiest to pass it off as vodka...

BTW is it illegal yet here in Australia?

As far as I know it isn't... or is it?

[ 22. August 2003, 21:32: Message edited by: gomaos ]