Nitrogen´s Connoisseur hybrids - pics and seed giveaway

[mushroomman]

Yeah it does I was hoping it was going to keep growing with the spineless growth but I think it's going to terminate and send out some pups.

[EthnoGuy85]

I wonder if the non mutant offspring of these crosses will carry over the monstrose traits?

If so we could be looking at some really wicked crosses down the road.

I was lucky enough to get the #1 and #8 crosses off of nitrogen(thanks again man!). And find myself now aquiring some seed/seedlings of all but one of the other crosses. Package should be here Monday. :D

It will be interesting to see what crosses between the non mutant offspring throw out in the years to come.

[zelly]

Nice spread

That first one looks quite a bit like the TPM (peruvianus monstrose) in post 1, last TPM pic especially. A few more spines on yours but yours is much younger and not under the sun.

Has anyone noticed the spination on the TPM? Heres a good spine pic...

Three spines, downward pointing long one, shorter upwards, none can really be called a central.

Not quite the definition of a peruvianus

Auxin- the mere fact that its monstrous could also mean the spines take on a monstrous growth as well.

I believe i have a clone of the exact same plant, mine is growing in the ground, and it doesn't show any of the spination growth that nitrogens plant does.

I am also of the opinion a tricho plant most closely resembles its true nature, monstrous or not, only when grown in the ground.

Several pot grown monstrous trichos have resumed completely normal growth since being planted in the ground.

[mutant]

nitro:

the motherplant shifts between normal growth, monstrose, large crests, and tight crests

I have only grown two strains so far of pachanoi monster. Wouldn't be a good idea to try to name monsters phenotypes... ?

(will sow this automn as soon as I have time nitro seed myself)

So mine even though they seem to have a limited repertoire, from time to time they seem to change and even make the occasional surprise.

dunno what you mean by tight the normal crests, but IME a cresty crest (I mean the "mostly crest") usually makes smaller crest when you grow it in a less sunny place. Also the cresty crest has done the scaly/crocodile skin some times (no spines in that part) but this is rare. The last months the cresty cresty form has started throwing a couple columnar-like shoots, I bet they will turn to crest in no time, but its pretty interesting because you can create awesome new crests with this because of the shape. Also this strain threw a penis like offshot this year. I cut and I am rooting.

The monster/crest strain I got also throws column of mostly irregular growth that turn normal for a while, but never stay like that for long. Its interestin (this comes from kada garden) that I remember kada saying his had never gone crest, whereas mine got cresty as soon as I planted it - It was monster column at the time. I grew this strain , and I was cutting it a lot, and after some time the mother plant turnt into column again.

Its from there my columns come from. I got 3 at the time. The biggest has 3 columns, and its turning one of them into crest...

This is gonna be an awesome specimen!

SO , would it be a nice idea to make up some names for the different kind of behaviours/forms of pachanoi monsters, as we already know some of them, but expecting some new tricks from the new generations.... ??

[EthnoGuy85]

TPC x (Juules, SS02 or (SS02 x pachanoi)

First one I've grafted so far.

Have some seeds of all the mutant crosses going and a few more seedlings of each. Thanks to a generous member at the nook.

[naja naja]

Edited October 1, 2013 by naja naja

[zelly]

wtf is with the spam when you first click on the images?

i think you need a new image hosting site

[Auxin]

Perhaps he uses firefox with adblock, such people never can tell what might cause spam for others, being nearly immune themselves

Great progress naja, that first one is like a line up of different monsters.

Really fuel efficient, lol

[tripsis]

Nice Naja. That first one has some interesting terminated sections.

[naja naja]

wtf is with the spam when you first click on the images?

i think you need a new image hosting site

Why does no1 else like the free porn?

[hookahhead]

TPQC x TPM


TPM x N1 (var. WTF?)

Flat mates


Psycho0 x TPM (started out as the weird ball posted many pages back, then reverted to normal growth. At least it still looks awesome!)

One of the pups removed from the cactus above.

One of my friends who I gifted some seeds to sent me this picture, don't know which cross it was though. (there is a second one that is out of focus in the background)

Edited October 16, 2013 by hookahhead

[hookahhead]

wtf is with the spam when you first click on the images?

i think you need a new image hosting site

Right click on the images, and click "Open link in new tab". This bypasses the spam. You can then use the "previous", "next", or "view gallery" to browse his images without the spam

Edited October 16, 2013 by hookahhead

[PhoenixSon]

have seed of these crosses, but currently dont have the time and space to grow them, PM if your an old member and keen to grow them out and eventually send some cuttings my way.

These really need to be grown out!!!

[irabionist]

PM'd (hopefully I'm an old enough memeber, heh...)

[bogfrog]

Grafted 5 funky seedlings onto small trichos last night

Heading home now to do some more.. Quite a few of my seedlings have passed away or been mixed up so i just wanna secure the named ones while i can.

I divvied up my seeds with 2 friends, theirs are growing very well, after my cat knocked over my biggest tray-full and many died i'm kinda wishing i had given my mates the seeds with the condition they gave me some back when they were established.. :{

[hostilis]

That's too bad about the kitty knocking them over. I accidentally left my kitty in my grow room last night. He knows not to touch my plants, but he got into my treys full cups with soil in them i was prepping for pereskiopsis and dumped a bunch of them out onto a tarp, then ended up using it as a litter box! LOL! I accidentally grabbed the "suprise" in there with my hand. I'm just glad that he didn't touch any of the plants though.

Edited October 17, 2013 by hostilis

[nitrogen]

Nice "var. WTF" you have up there hookahead! That thing is gonna be a disaster in a few years ;)

Some speculation here - I think the TPC hybrid with the 3 fathers is mostly or totally TPC x Juules - I say this because the Juules was the first pollen I hit it with - I spaced pollinations between several hours with the 3 fathers - so the Juules pollen would have had plenty of time to gain traction. Also, the (SS02 x pachanoi) x TPC cross is showing mostly longer spined progeny than is the TPC x (Juules, SS02, and SS02 x pachanoi) progeny - I figure if either of the SS02 plants had been fathers to the TPC then I'd be seeing more of the longer spination on the TPC x (Juules, SS02, and SS02 x pachanoi) also. If this pattern holds true than we may can feel safe to label the TPC seedlings as simply TPC x Juules, unless they have a more SS02 spination going. Thing that complicates it a bit is the TPC puts out an occasional long spine (4cm) near the base. It's still uncertain to me how it works with multiple ftahers pollinating one flower - I've read on here or the nook that such can happen, and how it works - but I really don't know if that's true.

Sorry to those who didn't get the (SS02 x pachanoi) x TPC hybrid seed - most people on here and the nook did not - the pollination and fruit from cross that came so much later than the rest of them - that only the small number of second-wave mailings contained those seed (and the fruit was very small/few seeds) - I'm sure folks can trade the (SS02 x pachanoi) x TPC cross into better circulation though over time.

Edited October 17, 2013 by nitrogen

[Stillman]

I grafted about 30 (SS02 x pachanoi) x TPC All took then I had a slug out break from contaminated soil and I am left with 4. One looks like melted wax type mutation. The others seem "normal".

[Jox]

Well I am finally going to join in on the conversation of growing these little freaks ! I have been happy just watching you all with your little projects & everyone seems to be having success.

I was given some of these seeds a while ago & last month finally got room in my grow room to sow them, even though the seeds have been stored for quit a while I have had very close to 100% germination & some of them already look a little different. As people here have had them growing for a little while now I would like to ask has anyone got any freaks growing on the own roots? Or have they all been grafted? I was planning on letting them do there own thing & not bother grafting. If anyone has photos of these freaks growing on there own roots I would love to see them & hear how they are going.

Cheers

Jox

PS; I am very excited & happy to finally become a member of the nitrogen's mutant cactus club !!

[bogfrog]

I would like to ask has anyone got any freaks growing on the own roots? Or have they all been grafted? I was planning on letting them do there own thing & not bother grafting. If anyone has photos of these freaks growing on there own roots I would love to see them & hear how they are going.

Dang. This question came two days late. I had been growing 98% of mine on their own roots and some very freakish freaks were happily chugging along... until i chopped their heads off

They were doing really well until recently, when quite a few started rotting away.. And to secure my obvious freaks i grafted the tips of the most interesting ones and repotted the stumps, so hopefully those wee stumps will pup away.

Not sure what caused the sudden deaths.. Probably me moving them from the hot heatpad to the drafty greenhouse

Edited October 18, 2013 by Ceres

[J Smith]

I'm growing mine on their own roots, under lights t/a tek since sowing in april but have hardened off and they have been out in the (sheltered) open for the last 6 weeks or so. At this stage all are growing at about the same speed as any other trich I've grown from seed. Excellent germ rates! Growth should speed up now it's warming up a bit and I will hopefully move them to more direct sun in a couple weeks, it got down to minus one here last night so I'm being extra cautious with these special ones.

[bogfrog]

Heres a few odd-bods that survived the culling of the herd:

TPQC x TPM

TPM x (SS02 x pach) - possible crest

TPM x N1 - possible crest

Unknown - mixed up by the cat

The little one on the left has two little pups morphing out like little arms

Okay so just for comparison here are my 'own roots' seedlings - (named x's in the black square pots,

*mutant lucky dip* courtesy of el' Boggy in the green oblong tray at the front)

And heres the two i grafted at the end of summer:

TPQC x TPM #1 (on pereskiopsis stock)

I recently grafted a nub off this.. It seems to have stuck well

TPQC x TPM #2 (on myrtillocactus stock)

if you're in a cold climate like me grafting really has its benefits when it comes to securing special genetics.

In my final example -- two year old seed grown crest -- SS01 x TPM

Compare this to my grafts from seeds sown last summer

[mushroomman]

Great work everyone there are going to be some amazing mutants getting around from these seeds!!

Jox here are most of mine.

[Jox]

Thanks for showing me your photos , those seedlings are looking awesome!

I will keep mine going on there own roots & start to add pics here when they are worthy.

Cheers

Jox

[J Smith]

Lol mine are much smaller than that!