shamanic native plants

[BorgFace]

I've read a few reports of smoked datura flowers, apparently there wasn't much in the way of effects and the smoke was horrible.

That being said, what kind of amounts are we looking at here for datura flowers or brug. leaves?

Borg.

[apothecary]

It isn't something you can measure.

Tropanes are very unpredictable!

[BorgFace]

I'll just go and smoke thirty then shall I?

Better to give people an approximation than it is to not.

[Torsten]

yes, but make sure to report back once you are released

any sensible person will be hesitant to provide ANY dosage information on tropanes. What we can do is tell you what the amount is that will probably cause you little or no effects and you can work your own way up from that. In fact this is the only truely safe way.

[Entheo]

devils_cactus:

can anyone suggest some nice shamanic natives that are relativly common?

cheers

I hate to say it, but it all depends on what type of experience you want, and also time limits, access to materials, etc. There are heaps of natives that are shamanic in one way or another.

There are native tobaccos, Pituri (not common), Lobelia's

A native Datura (also not common), Duboisia

along with Anthocercis, Crenidium, Cyphanthera

Acacia's, morning glories, mushrooms (many sorts)

some of the Tabernaemontana's

Grewia if you live up north

Clerodendrum's cuold be interseting if you live over WA way,

possibly some Lycopodium's

the lsit goes on.

[Entheo]

Hi Darcy,

 

darcy:

-Stictocardia tillaefolia,

-Galbulimima baccata,

dunno about the oz datura, D. leichardtii is still disputed as being a native species.

I thought it was Galbulimima belgraveana nowdays

(sorry, just being pedantic)

and as to D. leichardtii, I disagree with the reasons for classifying it as introduced.

1. Ngameni of central Australia know it as Tjultrani (one of the reasons for classifying as introduced was that aboriginies had no name for it)

2. It was discovered and described in Australia long before the gold rush, the obvious point for the plant to have been introduced from Mexico. It was found in Mexico after gold rush miners started returning to their homelands (although most stayed in Australia).

3. There are two subspecies in Australia, and only one of them is known in Mexico.

[Entheo]

darcy:

I was tracking down some info on Galbulimima and one of the Herbariums in oz confirmed that G. baccata was the currently accepted name. I guess they change their minds so often with new research papers, etc that it's hard to keep track of    

you could be right, but Im relying on the Australian Plant Name Index, when I do a search on Galbulimima at

http://www.cpbr.gov.au/win/index.html

all it comes up with is Galbulimima belgraveana,

although it does have a G. baccata in the system.

Himantandra baccata is a synonym of G. belgraveana

http://www.anbg.gov.au/cgi-bin/apni?taxon_id=42010

leading me to believe that G. belgraveana is the correct name at the moment.

[black]

read up on datura...sounds pretty insane,

so im ordering 50 seeds tomorrow :cool:

thanks guys

da shitl kill u man