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6 minutes ago, bardo said:

Yeh, make the most of every moment, live and let live, do all you want and remember all is transient anyhow 

heads in the sand is exactly how we got into this problem in the first place.

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20 hours ago, bardo said:

Yeh, make the most of every moment, live and let live, do all you want and remember all is transient anyhow 

Mate, sounds like a great way to live your life. However when it comes to talking about overpopulation, don't you think this could be part of the problem?

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Overpopulation may not end up being an issue at all. Have a gander at what is happening with the Earth's magnetics. The magnetic poles are shifting at an increasingly rapid rate and the magnetic field is weakening at an alarmingly increasing rapid rate. Climate change may take on a much more nasty personality...

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Probably not an issue though, we will still be protected by the atmosphere. 

Interesting to wonder what sort of unexpected havoc a sudden reversal might wreak on our machines though. 

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On 24/04/2019 at 8:17 AM, Northerner said:

Probably not an issue though, we will still be protected by the atmosphere. 

Interesting to wonder what sort of unexpected havoc a sudden reversal might wreak on our machines though. 

 

Mmmmm… Except, without a strong enough magnetosphere, solar winds would start stripping the atmosphere away. Weaken it enough and the oceans (and all surface water) would follow. The current rate at which the poles are moving is already necessitating re-calibration of navigational technology. The north magnetic pole is moving easterly toward Asia, and the south, also eastward, toward Indonesia. So they're actually moving toward each other. The south magnetic pole has already wandered outside the Antarctic circle.

 

The Carrington event (1859) was a medium sized CME which struck earth causing widespread damage to the existing power grid and infrastructure. Telegraph lines caught fire and melted. And this was when our magnetosphere was estimated at around 33 microteslas. Today, it is approximately 27 microteslas, a reduction of about 14%. In the early 1900's it was estimated the rate at which the field had been weakening was about 5% per century. It is currently estimated to have increased to a rate of reduction of about 5% every 10 years. And indications are that rate is accelerating.

 

If a Carrington level event struck the earth today you would almost certainly lose most power grids, communications, satellites, etc. Little things like nuclear power stations would present problems, given after a loss of external electricity there is a window of between 12 and 19 hours before core meltdown if power is not returned. No mobile phones, no internet, no electrical pumps for water supply or sanitation maintenance. This to name just a few of the consequences.

 

Then there is the possible connection with solar activity influencing tropospheric weather - what happens in the first 10 km or so of our atmosphere. The event itself may not have much of an effect on weather, as it is usually a relatively short burst of high speed ejecta from the sun. But if it further weakens the magnetosphere, which is highly likely, then there will be the ongoing effect of higher levels of solar particles slamming into the troposphere, invariably destabilizing terrestrial weather patterns dramatically.

 

Human beings wouldn't be faring favorably in the environment of increased particles (gamma rays, x-rays, high energy protons and heavy ions from solar wind and the galactic cosmic wave) now reaching the earth's surface due to the weakened magnetosphere. Our DNA tends to start literally falling to pieces in the increased presence of these particles because not only do they damage the DNA, they quickly overcome the body's DNA reparative function called enzyme mediated DNA repair.

 

Now I'm not saying an event like this is definitely going to happen, that the magnetosphere will definitely continue to weaken, or that all these things will occur because of the weakening magnetosphere. However, going on what current science tells us about past magnetic pole flips, we know for certain they were associated with a weakening of the magnetosphere (to the point where it's strength reached close to zero), the poles do not remain flipped, but switch back to their respective geographic positions quite rapidly, and there is growing evidence they coincided with mass extinction events. Maybe the science is wrong; we have learned so much just in the last 25 years which has overturned previously held scientific beliefs about both the earth's magnetic field and cosmic radiation.  However the available data indicate it is a high probability with a time frame window of the next 25-30 years for the weakening magnetic field to reach it's tipping point.

 

If this is indeed our immediate future, unless we all start preparing by moving underground and reinforcing our environment with materials which would protect us and our food and water supply from the effects of both the terrestrial weather and the cosmic particles, worrying about climate change and overpopulation becomes a mute point and Bardo's advice would seem to be quite appropriate.

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3 hours ago, Insequent said:

If this is indeed our immediate future

Yeah mate I hear ya and your probably right. Still to not fix an immediate problem. A problem that not only exists right now, but that can be solved right now. To put all that off, just because a bigger problem, a problem that can not be prevented, 'might' happen some time in the future, that is pretty foolish to say the least. Aren't problems like climate change or overpopulation, simply selfishness problems? It is easy to become apathetic if someone is not convinced they will be too badly effected by a problem, at least in their life time. Especially so if they believe the effort to solve the problem adversely effects them personally, more than the problem it self. Perhaps why self regulation, a "do all you want" approach is simply not working.

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22 hours ago, Crop said:

A problem that not only exists right now, but that can be solved right now. To put all that off, just because a bigger problem, a problem that can not be prevented, 'might' happen some time in the future, that is pretty foolish to say the least.

Too true, Crop. Addressing the issues we can address must be the priority, regardless of what we think may be coming. And, as both you and Ethnoob point out, ignoring the situation or choosing to be a non-participant in trying to rectify things is part of what got us where we are and a greater part of why it is difficult to implement measures and changes. This is all assuming climate change is at least predominantly anthropomorphic, which is what I believe. And regardless of whether making the changes we think needed to fix it will work, actually making those changes can only result in a positive outcome for Earth and her biome.

 

For my mind, looking at it from a different angle, perhaps we should ask why we are having so little success stopping the things we know are bad for the environment? We know burning fossil fuels is bad and we have alternatives, so why haven't we stopped? Even the commercial (corporate) fishing industry knows overfishing the oceans by dragging kilometer long nets scraping along the ocean floor is bad, not just for the environment, but for them as well. But they haven't even slowed down. Mining, oil drilling, fracking, forest destruction, waterway contamination, air pollution, industrial agricultural practices... all these things are detrimental to our environment, but no one has been able to get them to stop.

 

Perhaps, unless we identify what it is which is stopping us from ceasing these practices and making the changes we need to make, finding and implementing solutions will continue to be difficult. I may be wrong, but I tend to think if we address this problem first, we will be able to look at climate change from a greater distance, and better realize it's "big picture". If it is anthropomorphic, I suspect we may find a relationship between what the main cause(s) of climate change is/are and what it is preventing us from positive action. There is an equal chance I may be off the mark or completely wrong. 

 

 

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On 26/04/2019 at 7:20 PM, Insequent said:

Perhaps, unless we identify what it is which is stopping us from ceasing these practices and making the changes we need to make, finding and implementing solutions will continue to be difficult. I may be wrong, but I tend to think if we address this problem first, we will be able to look at climate change from a greater distance, and better realize it's "big picture".

Yeah mate, even if it's not anthropomorphic, taking a look in mirror can only be good for us in the long run. Personally I think our economic system is the culprit. Unfortunately not an easy fix. The only really viable alternative, dosn't seem to work in practice. At least not when it has to compete with capitalism. Maybe all we need is a cap on wealth. Most of the large scale damage seems to be for no other reason than so, obscenely rich people, can get even richer.

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On 09/11/2019 at 8:32 PM, Slocombe said:

Check out this absolute legend

 

I have a friend who's partner is in the QPS. He was never happy with the system, but now he's looking at getting out because of the increasing focus on anti-protest/riot training. He didn't go in to specifics, but he was disgusted with the level of brutality they were being encouraged to implement. He basically said he didn't sign up to beat up on those he was supposed to protect, and when he voiced this was (unsurprisingly) told, perhaps this job wasn't for him and he should consider alternatives.

 

I'm sure we're all aware the police force and the court system are geared up to maintain the current paradigm, and are now openly instruments to be used to protect corporate interests, rather than the commonwealth. At least there seems to be little concern from the governemnts for continuing pretense. Fun times ahead...

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Liberals view the police as their army against the populace.... 

 

The militarisation of many state filth outfits are of a great concern. 

 

That said I'm in the state that started calling environmental activists.... Like dangerous tree sitters (ffs) as terrorists. 

We haven't gone as far yet as 

 

They are scared shit less of their fellow Australians, we use to be formidable when united.... We still would be....

 

Divide and conquer Brothers. 

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