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9 hours ago, DualWieldRake said:

People are such dumb sheep it's incredible

Hey man sheep are cool bro http://www.animalsaustralia.org/issues/secret-lives-of-sheep.php

Do you have a birth certificate and pay taxes ? if so say baaa lol.

5 hours ago, DualWieldRake said:

Jesus come down from the skies and end this failed experiment called life on earth

So if this is a failed experiment what would it look like if it was a success ?

If you want it to end just be patient it won't be long and it will all go away for you as it does for each and everyone of us, perhaps in the mean time have a cone or something ? maybe try chill a bit, smell a flower or rob a bank, whatever you like, life is awesome in the way that you can do and think anything you want, i couldn't imagine how it could be viewed as a failure? it is a friggin hardcore experience, maybe ya just doing it wrong to get that ?

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I'm from the Netherlands and i'd love to stop paying taxes.

How would you suggest i go about making money and not paying taxes without swat teams raiding my home...

 

The law here requires me to carry legal ID to prevent me from beeing arrested when asked by a police offer to present it

 

The jesus thing was just a joke ofcourse.

 

Brainwashed ppl do annoy the fuck out of me though.

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14 hours ago, DualWieldRake said:

I'd stomp this cunt so hard on his big faggot nose if i heard him spout this bullshit with me around....fakkk.

 

Why?

 

Edit- and as fckn rough as some of us are, we do try to to keep the tone down

 

 

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Because i'm a trained martial art fighting machine and all i've known is to settle disputes with violence

 

Also partially because the guy in question is behaving like a vessle of darkness, how does one reason with darkness?

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His ideas scare you that much you've got to tout that you'd smash him....lol...And you've shown your stripes. I reckon he'd have you as he believes he's got 10 years or less.

 

I cant buy into his end of humanity pitch in 10 YEARS guff, but folk are getting displaced and some will perish.

 

I'd dig into it further and tease it apart, but it's wasted on you. Tear the ideas apart, save violence for when its justifiable.... I've got no aversion to it.

 

You can't even justify it... Lol..Childish, let alone a lack of control as a "trained martial arts fighting machine" and lack of respect for other members.

 

Discussion thread.... Not a blow bag one.... Add to it

 

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17 hours ago, DualWieldRake said:

I'm from the Netherlands and i'd love to stop paying taxes.

How would you suggest i go about making money and not paying taxes without swat teams raiding my home...

 

The law here requires me to carry legal ID to prevent me from beeing arrested when asked by a police offer to present it

 

The jesus thing was just a joke ofcourse.

 

Brainwashed ppl do annoy the fuck out of me though.

You say brainwashed people annoy you, do you realize that what you express at the start of your post conflicts your conclusion ? that is unless you annoy yourself ?

You say you would love to stop paying taxes but from what i can gather you pay them in order to avoid a swat team raid, if that is so then you fit the definition of brainwashed lol, go look up the definition.

if you call people sheep and brainwashed without being able to validate or substantiate your view than i will call you a domesticated parrot .

I don't mean any offence to you, i am just pointing out the folly in your posts.

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Well yea you are right i guess i'm not enlightened or anything. Doesn't still change the fact though.

I'll read up on it :P

 

 

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On Wednesday, 24 January 2018 at 6:30 AM, DualWieldRake said:

Well yea you are right i guess i'm not enlightened or anything. Doesn't still change the fact though.

I'll read up on it :P

 

 

Well i feel my message/reply was a little on the arrogant side and it was probably more of a slighting remark than nessasary, for that i do apologise : ) all the best bro

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Meanwhile, every record for coldest Feb.day in Oz gets smashed..

 

Yeah, I remember the 20th century......when there were seasons.....

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On 23/01/2018 at 0:20 AM, waterboy 2.0 said:

I reckon he'd have you as he believes he's got 10 years or less.

 

Hahaha strong point.

 

Anyway, solving differences of opinion with fighting-machine levels of martial arts training aside,

 

2017 should be ashamed of itself, coming in as only the second hottest year on record (i.e. since 1880), with some saying it shoulda come third: nasa article

 

The year didn't even manage to get up by a single degree (it got 0.9, close but no cigar) from the 1951-1980 mean, let alone bag the 2 degree rise that is often, though in some ways problematically, given as an upper limit for "normal" temperature variation. What a fizzer.

 

As a consolation though, 2017 did manage to retain a place amongst the five hottest years on record, all of which have occurred since 2010. 

 

Let's enjoy the warmth until some nerds invent a carbon sequestering technology that will take it back away from us. Then we'll be free to wait around until cloning advances mean we get back stuff like the Baiji dolphin, Pyrenean ibex, Eastern cougar, western black rhino, Japanese river otter, Formosan clouded leopard, Cape Verde giant skink, Saint Helena olive, etc. etc. Can't wait till the debate is over and we can just watch the show in peace.

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19 hours ago, bardo said:

Well i feel my message/reply was a little on the arrogant side and it was probably more of a slighting remark than nessasary, for that i do apologise : ) all the best bro

 

No worries m8.

I've had a discussion with someone about this subject recently. I doubt it's really feasable to just stop paying taxes all of a sudden, sure it's possible but it requires a lot of planning cause a bunch of things you won't be able to participate in.

 

Humans act like sheep probably cause we are sheep for a large part

 

Here's an interesting 'Critique of modern particle physics' called the higgs fake

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Hl6Hbr1kW4

 

This climate debate is just politics and general distraction,

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This thread is totally ridiculous, but hey, you can go on being stupid and fuck up the quality of this forum all you want. 

 

Thunderideal, what do you think about your own contributions to making the quality of this wonderful forum go downfall with your neo-fascist , alt-right , conspiracy bullshit? 

 

 

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its his own videos , dude 

 

I haven't been the best boy around the years, I mean in my manners, but hey this is an ethnobotany forum, and I am still here about this - why you bitching about a youtube link? you seem to me so into these discussions, a stupid song here and there never harmed anyone,

 

and I am letting my opinion on the pro-trump crusade of yours aside.  

 

I really dont have an opinion on the matter of climate change.. is there only a black and white position? no article presents both positions naturally? could this possible that such a thing exist? 

oh yeah, and I need it short, really short.. 

 

and yeah why should I care how we change the enviroment, even if its true? earth will heal..if humans dont, all the better for the earth :P 

 

also here's another irrelevant video: it stands against religous thought 

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, sagiXsagi said:

and yeah why should I care how we change the enviroment, even if its true? earth will heal..if humans dont, all the better for the earth

 

Because all the other species on the planet don't exist for our own benefit. If you think plants and animals have any intrinsic value you should have a conscience about what our species is doing to them.

 

Saying that the earth will recover from this mass extinction is a cop out. It's also ignoring the massive suffering we're inflicting on other animals. 

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2 hours ago, hashslingr said:

 

Because all the other species on the planet don't exist for our own benefit. If you think plants and animals have any intrinsic value you should have a conscience about what our species is doing to them.

 

Saying that the earth will recover from this mass extinction is a cop out. It's also ignoring the massive suffering we're inflicting on other animals. 

 

i agree completely but the problem as i see it is that we are not as smart as we think we are.  it's been demonstrated over & over again throughout history that all too often the worst damage we cause come from our poorly thought out attempts at fixing things.. 

 

in the same way that too much of any one compound is poison & too much of anything in the environment is a pollutant, i feel that anything that humans do by the billions will be profoundly toxic.  Too much vegetarianism without a complete & utter global overhauling of industrial agriculture techniques will be worse for the planet that current factory farming of meat for example..  but unless basically every individual somehow decides to take responsibility for their own ethical food production, there is no way to feed these billions without that toxic industrial agriculture & the toxic global systems that allow it to feed the masses..

so it's all well and good & extremely true to say it's a cop out & it seems vitally important we do not cop out, but there isn't a human alive that truly has any real answers to the real problems of overpopulation, short of some kind of global socialist dystopia where everyone is forced by law to be a small hold organic farmer.  i mean, all i really want from my life is to grow plants & grow my own food & live a simple ethical life but it's a bit of a problem trying to force 8 billion people to do that also   

 

 

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You’re right, a lot of our attempts to fix environmental problems/improve environmental conditions for ourselves in the past have only worsened them. Cane toads, DDT, the Four Pests Campaign, the Dust Bowl, etc. all started with people trying to control environmental factors with the aim of improving humans’ position in the environment. All of them ended in diasaster.

 

And you're right, they we're all poorly thought out. None of them had a team of qualified ecologists running the show. 

 

OK, science doesn’t have all the answers. But it does have a lot of useful information that we too rarely put to use in environmental policy. The government’s Direct Action? Farce. Policy on coal? Completely misaligned with what ecologists and other scientists advise. The ways we are managing our environment are at odds with what the experts’ consensus is telling us. We need to put more trust and responsibility in the people who have dedicated years and years to this knowledge, rather than letting some Greg Cunt who studied law and IR run environmental policy, or worse, let another prick who studied law merge environmental governance with food production and hand decision making to a melonheaded twat who studied finance. Why are we letting business dictate our management of sectors they know nothing about? We're not putting ecologists in charge of the reserve bank, and we're not making a poet our financial minister. Why are we following that logic on environmental issues? I’m not saying that if we just ask an ecologist we will have a silver bullet for climate change, but we could at least take some steps in the right direction and put some trust in the right people. Reducing carbon emissions is a real, achievable goal if people are willing to make some shifts and sacrifices. Modifying agricultural techniques to be more environmentally friendly is possible if consumers and producers are invested in the idea.

 

It's true that many of the problems are deeply systemic and so not easily changed in a short period of time, and we’ve seen in the past that authoritarian plans like forcing everyone to be a small hold farmer or other 5-year plan style stuff probably would not be desireable or particularly effective. I’m not pretending to have the answers, I’m just saying it’s a bit easy to go down the nihilistic rabbit-hole and say “well it seems thorny so I’ll just leave it.” There seems to be too much of a “give me convenience or give me death” sentiment going around. Just because there isn’t a clear, foolproof, simple plan to address climate change doesn’t mean we can just throw our hands in the air and say fuck it she’ll be right. I can't do a fraction of what I'd like to on environmental problems, but I still don't think it's ok to give up just because I can't be captain planet. There’s still good reason to push against climate change in any way we can given that there are sensible steps forward available to us. Even if we can’t do as much as we might want to as individuals, we don’t help anything by giving up.

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Y'all brainwashed fools. (and or crooks)

 

@hashslingr

I don't think it's fair to just dump all kinds of environmental problems in this thread, the examples you name are extremely localized. Most of the world has nothing to do with that.

 

@paradox

stop drinking the cool aid main, i bet you aren't from australia talking about over population

 

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10 hours ago, paradox said:

 

i agree completely but the problem as i see it is that we are not as smart as we think we are.  it's been demonstrated over & over again throughout history that all too often the worst damage we cause come from our poorly thought out attempts at fixing things.. 

 

in the same way that too much of any one compound is poison & too much of anything in the environment is a pollutant, i feel that anything that humans do by the billions will be profoundly toxic.  Too much vegetarianism without a complete & utter global overhauling of industrial agriculture techniques will be worse for the planet that current factory farming of meat for example..  but unless basically every individual somehow decides to take responsibility for their own ethical food production, there is no way to feed these billions without that toxic industrial agriculture & the toxic global systems that allow it to feed the masses..

so it's all well and good & extremely true to say it's a cop out & it seems vitally important we do not cop out, but there isn't a human alive that truly has any real answers to the real problems of overpopulation, short of some kind of global socialist dystopia where everyone is forced by law to be a small hold organic farmer.  i mean, all i really want from my life is to grow plants & grow my own food & live a simple ethical life but it's a bit of a problem trying to force 8 billion people to do that also   

 

 

 

Not a personal attack but this is just the same old regurgitation of hippy propaganda.

You did no research or have any facts to support your statements

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It's also why folk don't take environmental opinion from IT heads... Lol

 

Your trolling now, as is sagi:wink:

 

Gets to ya dont it.... Tell us about the rest of the world.... Or your narrow view of it... I am intrigued

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The canaries are dying.....

 

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-21/cape-town-day-zero-drought-looms-despite-date-pushback/9468238


Cape Town's Day Zero pushed back, but authorities say drought threat still real


7.30 By Africa correspondent Sally Sara
Updated 34 minutes ago
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Video 0:55

 

Cape Town residents have been limited to 50L of water each per day ABC News

Theewaterskloof dam looks more like a desert. Dust swirls where water should be. The photographs of this place have become the dominant image of the drought in South Africa's Western Cape.

 

The dam is at less than 13 per cent of its capacity, and summer isn't over yet.

Irrigator Keith Bradley has spent his life in this valley. He's seen good seasons and bad, but nothing like this.

 

    "We are now in our third year of below-average rainfall. Dramatically below-average rainfall for the past three winters. And it's really last roll of the dice now," he says.

 

Irrigation directly employs more than 4,000 people here. Many more rely on it indirectly. Apples, pears and other crops are irrigated with water from the dam.


Theewaterskloof dam run dry in Cape Town


Photo Theewaterskloof appears more like a desert region now than a dam.

But water allocations have been cut to give more to the residents of nearby Cape Town. Mr Bradley says that's having a significant effect on farmers.

"It's huge. There has been a lot of finger pointing and accusations going left and right. All I know is that in our community we are obeying the water rationing. We have been cut by 60 per cent," he says.

 

Without significant rain, Cape Town will hit 'Day Zero' on July 9.

 

The date, pushed back from June 4, is the day the dams drop below safe levels and the water supply to much of the city will be cut off.

 

Residents will be forced to queue at 200 water distribution points across the city. They will be limited to 25 litres per person per day.


People overlook drought-hit Cape Town
Photo Cape Town's drought day zero has been bumped back to July 9.
 

Western Cape Environment Minister Anton Bredell says while some critics have dismissed Day Zero as alarmist, the disaster is real.

"We have started with the concept of Day Zero, to get a kind of urgency to our public, to understand we do face a crisis if they don't work with us," he says.

 

"Obviously when you face a drought, you need to reduce your consumption first of all, and for that, we need the cooperation of our public."
 

Residents are already restricted to 50 litres of water per person per day. The city has managed to halve its daily water consumption, but supplies are still running low.

 

Mr Bredell says the world is looking on as Cape Town risks becoming the first modern city to run dry.

 

"It's funny that now that it hits Cape Town, there is awareness. One of the challenges will be to keep the awareness," he says.

 

    "We need to keep the sustainability in the long term. Climate change is real. I think that message has landed. And I think it is now, how we as government are going to work with the private sector to protect our resources going forward."

 

 

There's more....

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16 minutes ago, DualWieldRake said:

hippy propaganda

Mate I don't think your right there. Paradox, among other things, seems to be disputing the usual hippy propaganda that vegetarianism is somehow the answer. Despite the massive damage caused by crops like mono-cultured soya bean or the much higher yield per hectare and smaller eco foot print of farming systems that incorporate both plants and animals. Such as the traditional systems used in Vietnam's the Red River Delta, or the Duck, Rice, Azolla systems of Japan, or even Animal Tractor Permiculture systems. 

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38 minutes ago, waterboy 2.0 said:

It's also why folk don't take environmental opinion from IT heads... Lol

 

Your trolling now, as is sagi:wink:

 

Gets to ya dont it.... Tell us about the rest of the world.... Or your narrow view of it... I am intrigued

 

I admit i don't like discussions about this subject on a hobby forum, i can watch the news for that.

And expected different from y'all interesting people

 

Instead of sharing my narrow view, i ask you to show me some of yours (but not some corporate news site view, your own)

 

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