Trichocereus Hunt ID Request

[mira]

I visited a once thriving but now decrepit nursery a couple of weeks ago just to take a peek. There were stands of rotting pachanoi and terscheckii, but in the rotting and bug infested mess I managed to find a couple of interesting things that were not there last time or were not for sale before. Unfortunately the knowledgeable owner is not longer there so I couldn't ask him about the origins of the plants.

I'd love to hear the expert opinion on these.

1)

I'm almost 100% certain of the origin of this one: a California wholesale nursery which does a lot of volume. My best guess is T. peruvianus.

2)

No clue on the origin of this one. It was in the middle of a rotting stand (5 m x 10 m) of PC in a blistering greenhouse lying on the floor. A longer spined pachanoid?

[M S Smith]

These are both really good excellent examples of why T. pachanoi and T. peruvianus shouldn't be considered different species at all. But I must admit, the two names do help when dealing with the extremes of the broader "species."

~Michael~

[mutant]

peruvianoids