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tipz, April 1, 2012 in Ethnobotany
came across this recently, might offer some helpful DIY practical info:
This trial idea of mine (spot-the 'sly-baccy' competition) has had positive results locally: Yep - the average CQ's knowledge of tobacco is nonexistent: - beyond the color of their "packet of PJs -thanks mate" - positively!
Convincing them that just because any idiot can plant Cannabis and dry to something smokeable - DOES NOT mean they can grow material-suitable-to-be-the-plant-that-might-be-used-in-the-production-of-tobacco, let alone turn it into such good tobacco I'd swap it for its weight in gold. It is incredibly difficult to turn the shit into something really, really worth crapping up your lungs with i.e. commercial tobacco.
Look at some of this gammon the hillbillies have given me:-
The "senescent" Olde Perique going to seed in former Prime Minister Johnny Howard's front yard, was in fact the former Prime Minister John Howard. (He is also the dope "photosynthesising" at the back - originally planted by Kerr whacked up on Nikov and K! in the 70's1 rumour)
Exy-sexy-Premier Anna Bligh's pet Al Fakher Up was always her nickname - ya idiots!
As seen from Google.earth.maps Bob Katter's crop has always been there and so doesn't qualify! He doesn't smoke - he just sucks.
Also, talking gmap, the Long Shag seen growing out of esteemed elder Germaine Greer's undies ain't tobacco...it's also where she keeps her smoking pipe between sessions which could explain the misperceptive smells...
What smells like N.rustica outside Rockhampton Lord Mayor'sCouncil Chambers, and smoked for its "glue sniffer" like high, blatantly seen in a local city I'd be slanderous to name! is actually E.pilulifera mutated from TSC laden mulch of a hundred years of Council City Worker's cigarette butts.
Okay - that is Squaw Tobacco growing in Bob Carr's EarthStar Phytotron - Peter Garrat sold him the seeds years back and told him it were Jack Herer. He actually got them to grow and when he smoked the "sheep dip" he got all cred and cool - then cried a bit, etc. We know he couldn't hurt himself so long as he thinks that way - so best left alone.
Here's one just off the bar - Mature Tasmania Virginia doesn't exist - regardless of what she says.
It gets worse:-
What looks like brown stalks of tasty South African Kutsaga field cure leaves billowing like smoked antelope hides in the wind on Ant Murdock's luxury penthouse heliopad is actually his hot wife Jodie practising handstands. God bless ya - ya lovely fit thing!
Definately NO! Julia Gilliard Prime Ministeress, pretty prime indeed! Woof! Woof! Does not grow the best in Oz! She is so good and pure when she brews beer she brews it to 02.9% alc.v/v content because she know it is illegal to brew alcohol in Australia beyond 3% without a brewer's license. (The ONLY country in the world with this archaic law. that they can't even be bothered policing) What looks like Maryland Mammoth on her land are, closely related, mandrakes, fertilized with Ruddy's blood and bone (and balls). She uses the mandrakes, of course, for black magic offering her immortal soul to the Devil in exchange for a filthy damned demon to possess her and give her the supernatural strength to defeat her enemies. (On the ends of the mandrakes are the faceless men of Labor)
Tony Abbott is only picking homegrown rhubarb for his family's consumption - you slanderers! (It just looks and reeks like White Burley because Bronwyn Bishopp's dog keeps pissing on it.) (Oh and Tony hasn't watered them since Cyclone Olga)
It goes on and on! They wouldn't have a clue! Immature savages - Better end off with another:-
Amazing Fact About Tobacco - Experienced shaman vegetalista can actually use Tobacco related Mapucho as an antidote to Brugmansia poisoning and visa versa! (Don't try that at home!) Pharmaceutically their profiles happen toward antagonism.
They believe Nature puts no poison on the earth without an attendant antidote close by. We discovered they were correct as rutin found in tobacco, still refined from this source, is used to lower LDL and protect the damage caused by smoking tobacco.
Yo Respect to you Psylo Dread for all your legal research! So from the ancient piturri trails, to contact when 2oz of 'baccy was part of a man's wage (pushing the addiction with British Imperialism), WW2 when my 13yr old Al Fakher was fed Yankie cigarettes like lollies, selling out the Australian Industry to the Internationals, (you have your Myrtlewood, we had our Mareeba) - to today where the moderators of this addictive, health-destroying DRUG are the revenue collecting mechanism of the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT namely the AUSTRALIAN TAXATION OFFICE! You see the incredible irony of this? It is like DRACULA running the BLOOD BANK.
You are right though - I haven't paid a cent in tobacco duty for years...And with the ATO making up the rules as they go along, the law and myself don't expect to for years. I'll send ATO a box of cigars and a bottle of brandy .
Why the ATO? I don't know about illegal chop chop, but around Childers here the farmers realising about $8 per bale (Au tobacco bale is 100kg- all hand packed city folk) on their crop, with some specialty buyers said to turn the ticket at $80, surely CENTRELINK would be a more appropriate! Politians always think they can control society with taxes and create black markets as a result.
Ho! Ho! Many thanks for the picture above! Acabar con la esclavitud los negros! Empresas internacionales de cigarrillos esclavizar al tercer mundo! Not real PC is it! I can think of about 5 reasons why I haven't seen the image up here - and that's before I talk about plain labelling, tax duty stamps, or indeed if its tobacco given Spanish economy! It looks like it could be coffee - eh? Those smashing big booty babes on the label would certainly sell more units than the pictures of diseased organs they put on ours! I've printed it out A4 to inspire Mi Blakgins to work harder - to the tune of the Rolling Stones "Brown Sugar"! They should see it on the 8th - Domingo Nergo - "Black Sunday"! tee! hee!
Amazing Facts about Tobacco:- To this day International cigarette companies exploit black, often underaged, slaves to grow crops, not for food, but to process in sweatshop conditions to profit bloated tobacco-related-products ie cigarettes to import for rich addicts in the first world. (Don't worry we've tried the idea of fair trade tobacco - not a chance!
That "tobacco" is the code word in Australian logistics for any precious cargo that should not be named for security reasons. As the chain-of-custardy and transport of "tobacco" requires ATO, BALC,Fed and local police notifications, inspection certificates, license checks and rechecks, armed security guards, road permissions, distance checks, recerts, etc. the "tobacco protocol" is understood...by no-one really - for security reasons
That when local growers pay for a police escort the agency usually sends them an Asian Chick in a fancy dress costume.
I was reading your earlier post where you stated that tobacco can "virginianed" by a process of curing.
That is intriguing as I've read a book by a tobacco grower that grew tobacco before and after the introduction of Virginian tobacco.
His name was Percy Weston and the book was titled - Cancer cause and cure
In the book he stated that the traditional tobacco grown in Australia was all grown with organic inputs and had a brown colour, but when WW2 happened and the American cartels moved in they started growing "Virginian" tobacco and the primary influence was the super-phosphate fertilisers that were applied at extreme rates, way in excess of recommended rates for all crops which resulted in tobacco with the yellow/gold colour and very harsh smoke which left him reeling after a small sample.
He stated that an American expert grower commented (I'm paraphrasing here I haven't read the book in over ten years) that the tobacco had come from a new field that had been treated with a very high application of super-phosphate.
My interpretation was that Virginian tobacco was produced mainly by growing the plants on a phosphorus overloaded soil, that causes the plants to uptake a massive excess of phosphorus and at the same time not take uptake the correct range of other nutrients because of the phosphorus excess. Percy stated in his book that it was common for smokers to live and work past the age of 100 and smoke cigarettes before the advent of Virginian tobacco.
After a bit of reading and finding out that super-phosphate is radioactive and tobacco is an accumulator of the radioactivity because of its tendency to pig out on any readily available phosphorus, my decision to quit was a no brainer.
Tobacco companies have known their products are radioactive for many years but they still pump the super-phosphate or triple super these days.
My understanding (albeit very drunken at the moment) is that there are three opportunities for the radioactivity to be concentrated or intensified for someone who smokes Virginian. First when they make the super phosphate, then again when they grow the plants and then when the cigarettes are smoked.
For over 40 years, researchers and tobacco corporations have known that cigarettes contain radionuclides(1). The contamination is sourced in naturally occurring radioactive radon gas(2) which is absorbed and trapped in apatite rock(3). Apatite, or phosphate rock, is mined for the purpose of formulating the phosphate portion of most chemical fertilizers(4). Polonium releases ionizing alpha radiation which is 20 times more harmful than either beta or gamma radiation when exposed to internal organs(5).Polonium emits the most carcinogenic form of radioactivity known, but has a short half-life (four months). However, it binds with radioactive lead which has a 22 year half-life, and then breaks down into radioactive polonium.
Polonium emits the most carcinogenic form of radioactivity known, but has a short half-life (four months). However, it binds with radioactive lead which has a 22 year half-life, and then breaks down into radioactive polonium.
What's your take on the super-phosphate connection ?
I've heard that this problem is common. My suspicion is that the majority of chop-chop out there is probably worse for you than commercial tobacco because it is not regulated in any way. Who knows what people are willing to add to it to try to fast track the curing process. At least commercial tobacco is, for the most part, a known evil. Of course growing your own would be the best if it were legal
I copy you, fella! The only way to truly tell the origin of your tobacco is to wet mount a sample and examine microscopically for the intact cell walls that prove it was once living plant tissue! If all you see is fibres then your commerical tobacco is reconstituted "tobacco" sheet paper made of pulp (there is no law that says any Nicotiana has to be used in commercially available smoking products) impregnated by artificially brand-specific chemicals to give them that brand-specific smell and controlled levels of nicotine, tobacco-specific-carcinogens, and what makes one brand of cigarettes commercial smoking product distinguishable from one another. You notice it when you open the packet and then it fades back to the flavourless "virginia" shredded paper it really is.
( I mean I could import washed shisha as confectionery under the Pure Tobacco Act 1932 - does ATO know that one? it took BALC long enough! - because it is ~50% sugar, >10% water and with nicotine content no greater than an eggplant!)
Remember - very few cigarette companies actually make the claim they use free trade 100% pure, organic N.tabacum..if any at all....they just let you assume that.
And guess what? It isn't really Ronald McDonald cooking those yummy burgers back there either!
Amazing Fact About Tobacco - The fine chemical industry that blend together the brand-specific-aroma concentrates for perfumers, liquor and food flavours etc. create synthetic "French Carrotte" - the posh name for the top note perfumes of really good tobacco. The ciggy companies not only spray it (with nicotine, acrolein, sorbitol, etc.) on their product have influenced perfume companies to use it in deodorants and colognes that target the teenage market. With limitations on other forms of advertising their pioneering work in subliminal suggestion is very effective on smokers trying to quit! In some countries this tobacco sauce - as we call it - can be soaked into rhubarb, oak, chicory, apple cores, etc. and then sold as a commercial smoking product
Hello there SallyD! Now that's a name I can do business with! Old mate Percy's pretty much talking about the US Florida situation with the mineral phosphate apatite they get from Mexico. Yes - it is loaded with uranium, mercury, clandestine meth-lab residues, headless bodies, chillies, etc. If you think that's bad I've a sample of Ukrainian Schamalzer snuff grown 19km from Chernobyl! (Apologies to any Customs officers who let it in.)
Good old Aussie phosphate, exported to the world, comes from that fine community of miners at Phosphate Hill slaving away in the Queensland desert to produce state-of-the-art fertilizers! No radioactive dregs in our 1st world product!
You are right - a tremendous amount of nonrenewable phosphate is diverted from food crops to prime tobacco crops.
It's only during seedling and vegetative stages of virginian crop that a relatively high N%:K:P fertilizer regime is observed Only in crops destined to develop their own flavours and alkaloid profiles is fertilizing continued, but toward harvest the crop is nitrogen starved to avoid rankness that may take weeks (for months) in a humidor to cure out - Yum! Yum! But this proper baccy is never smoked in the same year it was grown...
Cigarettes require material that can be processed as quickly as possible, as bland and as uniform as possible, so it will soak up lots of brand-specific tobacco sauce, free from minerals that affect the ash, free from any natural flavour and aromas that could influence the sauce, nicotine citrated, sugar/glycol balance adjusted for burning, tissue structures "popped" for porosity and filling power, etc. (No cigarette company makes the claim they don't use GE material - it's not a foodstuff folks!)
To prime it for harvest, to lower the chloride content (the bane of the Australian industry) and nitrates a calcium top dressing is applied along with the <N:>K:>P fertilizer encouraging root alkaloid synthesis and translocation.
Cigarette consumption was a godsend to their industry! Now they could make use of the poorest, most infertile soils to grow a blanched, diluted scraggly crop, insect bitten, chloro tic runt called virginia to turn into a product to people who think they are "buying beef - but they're eating sausages!"
Actually SallyD pleased to meet you! Very soon I wanna start a topic on "Non-tobacco Shisha" i.e. using the hookah technique of vaporising/steam distillation on good friends of ours like wormwood, calea, frankincense, lagochillus....and others as I grow more confident on good healthy formulations...you might suggest some other suitable s.
(It is totally immoral to give others what you haven't thoroughly tested on yourself!)
On the radiation subject - it is potassium that's the main source of our irradiation. Check out the "banana unit" of radiation exposure: - its funny!
Regards - and I hope you find lots of easter eggs tomorrow - you've got enough bloody rabbits your way.
Yep! It's pretty much the consensus of this scruffy lot around me "virginian" is a name bandied about really.
Originally expensive aromatic tobaccos were used to make cigarettes - but only those mild and aged enough for this new sort of consumption. Flue-curing discovery provided mild, bright leaf eminently suitable for smoking in a paper tube - very cheap, very profitable! Especially as other forms of producing was so expensive now you had to pay the niggers a wage!
Flue cured White Burley and Maryland, with a touch of Oriental sauce was used in early American cigarettes - and thus was born the American blended cigarette - the blend that really still dominates the world market to today.
Now, at about the same time, the English drug lords business people were industrialising and invented an automated cigarette making machine that could produce billions of tasty ciggies for the world to happily puff on devouring acres and acres of el cheapo yellow, American flue-cured from Virginia. Hence what Poms call 'virginian' the "Merkins call "flue-cured" and both think they are perfectly correct. Poms have the strange habit of naming things by their origin - "Hoover" for vacuum cleaner, "Spanish" for S.P. snuff.
Amazing Fact about Tobacco - 'tobacco' could actually be the name given by Cubans to the tube they snort 'cohoba' with - odd because 'cohiba' is what they call their tobacco! No wonder possession of Cuban cigars is still illegal in the USA! And there isn't a plutocrat amongst them that haven't broken that law!
(Mind you the Cubans got them back with the rumour that Tampas, Florida cigars are radioactive.)
I told you there is a very twisted tale behind tobacco, how she causes the damage yet manages to get her sister persecuted for it:- folks you ain't heard nothing yet
Thanks for the info Pat.
I think Percy Weston's issue with the phosphorus was associated with the American crap derived from apatite as you mentioned. Apparently farming was revelotionised during the war under U.S. influence and farmers were set high quotas for production that could only be realised with the use of excessive phosphates.
I'm sure we imported a lot of that Thomas phosphate shit here around that time so it could account for Percy's bias against phosphates.
Those drug lords busines men you mentioned are the same slave traders that made their wealth on human misery and piracy. They are all now respected families woven into the political fabric of the USA and other parts of the world.
Yep - you got to watch these governments - I mean everything Hitler did to the Jews was perfectly legal at that time in Germany!
Amazing Fact about Tobacco - Hitler didn't smoke.
Talking about Hitler and some very strange propositions by your humble servant to titilate you - dear reader - for between truth and beliefs, what is not knowledge, can be strange indeed!
- As "Happy" Ally Crowley predicted someday all the evil religions and black magics would unite internationally over the internet (WWW = 666!) combining Prehistoric Demon worship, Muti, Voodoo, Palos, Narcoreligions, from all over the world - practices that make what goes on at a Satanic Black Mass look like a Church picnic!
Alien-demon-spirity blokes are coaxed out of hell to "ride" their followers with spiritual possessions and deliver their wicked instructions for 2012! - and teach really cool guitar licks to musicians and write Beatles songs backwards.
Oooohhh! It sends a shiver down me tattoos!
These cheeky devils - hellbent on human souls (with all the other crap available in an infinite universe on an infinite timescale at their disposal -why pick on us?) are strangely very partial to, guess what? tobacco smoke! Loads of cigar smoke is needed to invoke Baron Saturday, demons and the Petro evils.
It has to be tobacco! (tafia, chickens, goats, etc. optional)
How did I source this obscure treat of occult? - I try to support little ma-and-pa sized industries throughout the world with my tobacco imports. This leads to some strange contacts:-
I feel an "S.American ip. no.skype.link" to a man wearing bits of other men and professing 200 generations of Devil Worship - trying to buy dirt to feed his cauldron, over the internet - deluded or not - would, prima faci know more about that subject than my advertisement which was for "high quality, local snuff, best prices paid!"
(Yes - I had to ask - you will not be admitted to even the most open of these rituals if you are drunk, or stoned, or drug affected in any way. You are searched and your breath checked! The diabolical influences can't get inside you if you're addled in any way besides smoking! What you know! There will be Australian Safety Standard AS4308 in Hell!)
If i was to be given the chance to smoke one last cigar with anyone on earth right now - i choose you
It's a pity you dont live next door
Yeah - to grow european type crops on ancient, australian soils which are notably phosphorus/phosphate deficient - and kick off the White Death saltation of Murray Darling - used vast amounts of phosphate. Initially stripped off pristine coral cay islands where fish-eating-birds poo out vast quantities of guano that, neutralised by the pure calcium carbonate of reef coral sands, turns into the best fertilizer once known to man! Yes - our local islands have only just started to recover from the guano industry!
The phosphorus/phosphate in the sea over eons came into equilibrium with the reef and its islands. Plankton took up the phosphates. The seafishies took up the plankton, accumulating the phosphates, taken up by the seabirds who shit it on John Howard and other places.
Traditionally bird manure and calcium phosphate, from animal bone, surficed - but with intensity guano exploited, now mineral, epecially as phosphoric acid (yes and the other ones! sorry motorheads - no free homebake tips given out here!) very soon phosphorus is tipped to be a commanding commodity in human population growths!
Most heavy metal radioactive nucleatidy minerals are gonna stay in the ash - what little radioactive elements stay in your body from smoke, even over a lifetime, are a peck on the cheek from Liz Cunningham compared the nitrosamines, polyphenolics, formaldehyde, etc created in the pyrolysis of a cigarette! Don't want your cigarette to give you lung cancer? Then do not let it get above 150oC and then find yourself another drug-delivery-system that isn't the lungs for the nickies to get in.
Best phosphate cycle is to have a composting dunny to put your phosphate into earthworms, to chickens amongst vegetables, and back on your dinner table! Because of the amount of fucking Coca Cola drunken affluent westerner's poo is one of the richest sources of phosphorus/phosphate since they banned them in washing powders in the 80's -
That is mighty nice of you Tipzy and I wished you lived next door too! - I think it might be one of PsyloDread's "brothers" presently!
But we have an expression up here - "You only eat your own beast, when you go to your neighbour's place for tea." - and it applies to their veggies too!...know what I mean, like? If you lived next door you would feast (not just with eyes) on what grows in neighbour's neglected lots from decades of Clan Pat Uri dropping seeds with their superphosphate deposits along the creek.
But without the distinctive flower some simple leaved plants are impossible to spot from the road.
Maybe that's why they call it 'virginia tobacco' - smart arses keep knocking off the flowers, keeping them virgin markedly increasing leaf quality, preventing pollination (and detection) - the scallywags! (I made the virginia part up - the rest is true.)
PS - I'm quite the newbie and, as confidence gains, hope to send you some cigars, photos or move you in next door -
(I'll get "Greasy" Pete moved on - HIS shishas made from the wet dumpers and "tutti-frutti" toilet blocks he finds cruising public toilets after dark! Don't ya! - Go change your hookah water! ya grub! Sorry - when can you move in, Tipzy?)
And by the way many thanks for kicking off this topic! Its been a fine game! Have you been following gallery?
well that was a great read there, pat uri, you delve into the secrets of tobacco in such a unique way. thank you for the read, and yes what you say about palos and papa gede are true, tobacco is very important. tobacco is food, now, i am hungry.
I think I wil give up the cigarettes, they dont bring me any enjoyment and these days theyre almost $20 a packet.
Anyone know about a brand of rolling tobacco called Manitou ? If so, please comment, as I would like to try a few commercial types of 'natural' tobacco, and reserve smoking as a special treat, instead of mindlessly sucking down dozens of fags in a night
when the global economic crisis kicked in, a friend of a friend said:
"fucked if i'll be the one chasing money to eat, when there's a few billion amongst hungry Asian countries who can't support shit without oil..
and if this is all going 'resource based economy' im gonna get myself a resource".
Imagine how many hankering smokers there'll be if civilization collapses?
So he planted Tobacco.
Said it looks like bok choy, (and later) the little shop of horrors plant or something anyhow.
Furthermore, were it to grow by just about any riverside, it'd camo with many other plants for a good long while. Looks similar to mullein, and other thistles and then its just a big green leafy
Spose its your DUTY, (not some shady grey area of the law) to take care of your own needs, if you look at it like this. This is what our governments have suggested (be self sufficicent). Its simply presented in a quite psychotic manner (BUT,still depend on us) , is all. So yeah, i've heard it said that regardless of legality- this is one area you have a common sense obligation to ignore a corrupt law. Luckily this is NOT my own view, but a twice removed quote!
Peace! Mud - and Respect! Worded up that's some pretty heavy bile coughed up into the face of society! I could feel the heat of your heart from here, comrade! I've only reread it fifty times so far - still newbie to your style!
All I was gonna say was Nothing Makes the Lawmakers Look More Stupid Than Creating Unenforceable Laws That Can Not Be Policed!
But I think you said that in a Slipknot sort of way.
Cigar coming your way you crazy diamond!
I'll read it some more.
I have been following the gallery pat uri, and have read this thread over and over.... each time i seem to glean a little more from your posts and still there is much to decipher..
You are a most intrigung character - the capricorn coast seems like quite an inviting place
Im actually lost for words.So i shall leave it at that.
( EDIT - one thng I am struggling to comprehend is that commercial ' ciggarettes' may actually contain no tobacco ? just shredded pulp soaked in industrial chemicals ? that is just a blatant use of pesticide against humankind ! and quite frankly that is really fucking scary )
And the balls been passed on splendidly by Tipz to Pat Uri:-
Yep! - dump a bit of ciggy stuffing onto wet filter paper and watch those industrial chemicals chromatograph off in ever expanding rings. Your smokin"tobacco" may now betray its origin - if you hadn't guessed already - 'proper just swells, its molasses case might stain the paper abit; then depending on how much they can screw out of impoverished addicts, goes down (in pectin) to some blue pouch stuff I cannot name that will become whiter than the filter paper!
It's not fit to be put in the same class as the Great Noble Plant authored by the Divine, Innocent, Incapable of Sin (That's a human invention!) (I'm serious - everyone should be allowed to grow at least one! To think the law would have you smoke your whole life, die of the habit, but never let you see, smell or mediate in the gold and blue aura of its mana - like all the Great Soul Ethnobot Plants it gives off more and purer energies than any average human) let alone be called a pesticide! let alone be smoked by the most vulnerable sections of society! GGGGGRRRRRR!
Soz - Tipz are you Persian? (I like Persians - Hiya Ilya!) whereas you don't have to worry about lowies rippin' off plants from the front yard!
Don't worry about giving away your position - just tell me if you can see the Southern Cross and about how high it is above the horizon. I've gazed long enough skyward to figure the rest out.
Amazing Fact About Tobacco - All the naughty insects that feast on accumulator tobacco (and who can blame them? - I do too!) crops are killed by being sprayed with tobacco! (Insect control on tobacco is critical. The most valuable leaf product from tobacco that there is - constant humidity shade grown cigar wrapper leaf - becomes scrap if a stray hopper bites a pinprick in it! Each hand reared plant might only produce 2 or 3 such leaves!)
Just like in humans, its all a case of pH, drug target delivery systems and lipid solubility!
I'm increasingly feeling disgusted with myself to have been sucked into the game for 20 years. It's been four days, and damned if Im still craving one of the disgusting chemical concoction. This thread is reminding me of the truth. Well, another truth, not that of silent corporate toxin dealers, but maybe the actual facts. Maybe if (no, WHEN goddamn it, Inshallah) I hit Saturday without pumping that junk into my body, I will reward myself with a nice big bowl of two-apple Nakhla on the weekend with a good thick Lebanese coffee and a fresh baklava.
Anyway, enough about my crutch... Here's a video that similarly discusses the ideas that Pat is putting forward. Figures aren't the same but still the concepts are comparable it's about the US market.
Hang in there Tough Fella!
(Actually the Mapuche Indians of the Andes are so familiar with tobacco use - those incredibly rare times when they don't have any and go into withdrawals they put the symptoms down to sorcery! Only Mapacho - their Guardian Angel - can drive off the evil! You must know how they feel about now!)
I can really recommend snus - Swedish oral moist snuff - and rather than getting involved in the cigarette companies new games of protecting their online interests go to:-
http://www.northerner.com/ not exactly ma-and-pa sized industry but outsiders anyway
about 3 ounces of tobacco you can buy with delivery in 9 days (not 3 fucking weeks - because BALC trust Sweden origin stuff as clean) for $20. Because in this form twice the nicotine is available, no tax or duty applies to tobacco that isn't smoked i.e. snus, that $20 will supply a-packet-a-day ex-smoker for a month.
The brand General is very popular and has instantly converted many a smoker. And when you've seen a cancer victim in palliative care dying with emphysema still trying to smoke a cigarette through their tracheotomy until you give them snus to try and with tears in their eyes they ask "where were you thirty years ago when I first started smoking?" I know you will hate the cigarette industry as much as I do.
Amazing fact about tobacco:- Snus is nearly completely free of carcinogens to Swedish standards - other tobacco products are not. For pointing this out EU cuntries have banned snus - presently - because it contains 50% water! Which contravenes the Pure Tobacco Act that states it must have 10%water! - carcinogens optional. (Nothing to do with better product for consumer and all to do with getting the right excise and tariff)
And your lung will feel so good, no creosote taste in your mouth, sleep properly without constant phlegm in the throat, and all the mountains you'll climb when you get there! Hurrah for you, Psylo D!
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