korbbit Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) Is there anything legal in australia, that one can buy for a reasonable price and take regularly that actually just make you FEEL GOOD? not high, or tripping, just good.. i really need some kind of emotional crutch to get myself out of this depressing rut im in. syrian rue seeds ##EDITED##, but they're far too expensive in australia.. Edited February 13, 2012 by ballzac Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ballzac Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) syrian rue seeds...but they're far too expensive in australia.. You can get them cheap at Turkish groceries as esphand, though I would think they're illegal to use. In fact, making a tea out of them or anything would constitute a preparation and that could land you in a fair bit of trouble. According to SAB, consumption is legal in some states, but as far as I know preparing it into a tea would still be illegal, so I've edited your post accordingly. Make sure to check the laws before posting to avoid breaking the rules (EDIT: Consumption would still be illegal if it contravenes Federal law. I'm not sure I understand the laws completely, so if anyone has a better idea, feel free to weigh in.) Edited February 13, 2012 by ballzac Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Max Cady Posted February 13, 2012 Sunshine and exercise and a healthy diet. people carry their emotions in their gut so what you put in makes a difference good bacteria in your gut helps too try doing good things and you'll feel better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
danshaman Posted February 13, 2012 the above is fool proof but otherwise st johns wort has worked a treat for me you can get the herb from sab and make a tincture with vodka to the preffered strength well thats what I do anyway and it works really well and also other people i have spoken to love it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bush Turkey Posted February 13, 2012 Sceletium tortuosum is good for depression, it has weak SSRI's Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Foo Posted February 13, 2012 As BT said, Kanna work well. But not for long periods. Shoot me a PM if you need a cutting Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
incognito Posted February 13, 2012 Tulsi tea is great. Talking about and understanding your emotions and thought processes is better. A good counsellor helped me out a zillion fold. And is free through the mental health service. Talk to your gp about it. Getting ur emotions and thoughts out, then presented back to you, really benefitted my own recovery process. But yeah tulsi, torstens partners shop sells it, but yeah recognizing u have a mental health issue is the first step. I recommend seeing ur gp and having a yarn. Don't settle for just any counsellor though, u really need o e u can work with, so if ur nOt haPpy with the counsellor go back to ur gp and ask for a other. Btw it's all 100% free. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
donjuan Posted February 13, 2012 This isn't a quick fix, so it may not be what you're looking for, but I find a daily cup of raw cacao + hot water (and sometimes a teaspoon of sugar, to lessen the bitterness), a capsule or two of 5-HTP (griffonia simplicifolia extract), and a good amount of time in the sun (preferably gardening, or bushwalking) is the perfect foundation for a continued sense of well-being. That, plus reading or some other equally stimulating mental activity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griffonia_simplicifolia http://www.medsci.org/v04p0053.htm 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
korbbit Posted February 14, 2012 Thanks. Il try and find some Turkish groceries. And also st Johns Wort sounds appealing but i dunno about tinctures i dont really want to shot vodka everyday. maybe brewed in a tea. I've got a salvia splendins plant on the way, apparently that can have calming euphoric effects. And very sorry about my original post! didnt know rue tea was illegal. next time i will do my homework first And i eat heaps of fruit, vegies and wholegrain shit aswell as taking multi's and riding a bike everyday. These things make you feel better, but theres that blurry line between feeling healthy and feeling good. I think social relationships is probably where im failing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
danshaman Posted February 14, 2012 with the tincture after you evaporate it there is next to no vodka my lil brother can take it ok and he can't go near vodka....... also he drank to much and got pretty off..... its nothing like shotting vodka every day couple of drops in anthing to dilute the taste if you don't like it its good that you exercise I do to and still have trouble with the whole feeling good I do find getting out there and socialising with good people, jamming doin anythin really I am definately feeling better the more i do this Hope it picks up for you mate! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shruman Posted February 14, 2012 Frankincense... maybe... just as incense has been shown to have a antidepressant effect... chewing luban maybe... Others have already mentioned a few, on the harmala front caapi is legal to grow, passionflower or tribulus maybe... for legal herbs. I got an ad in the classifieds for rue if you can't find a turkish grocer & you do'nt find mine too exie : http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?app=classifieds&module=core&do=view_item&item_id=23 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
indigo264nm Posted February 17, 2012 Sceletium as mentioned... and also ye olde Hypericum (St John's Wort) is the standard plant based antidepressant used in herbal medicine for it's SSRI action. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
planthelper Posted February 18, 2012 Sceletium as mentioned... and also ye olde Hypericum (St John's Wort) is the standard plant based antidepressant used in herbal medicine for it's SSRI action. indigo, pls don't take that the wrong way, but... hmmm, there is nothing wrong with your statement, but just the simple fact, that you wrotte about a maoi and a ssri in one sentence... never ever mix st. john wort with sceletium or worse with a ssri anti depressant. now some of you, might say, i'v done it and i was ok, but this doesn't mean it's save. some people seem to be far more sensitive to serotonin syndrom than others. once, i used st. johns wort ticture for a couple of weeks, and than a stupid friend (which i helped big times at that time) begged me to, try out one of his ssri pills. the effect was scary. never mix caapi,rue or any maoi, with any ssri!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zen Peddler Posted February 19, 2012 Good mood boosters are Rhodiola rosea, lactuca virosa and ginseng occasionally. Short lived but fun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mud Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) Get some 5-htp and tryptophan. On an empty stomach and a cup of coffee, these amino's are as close to a real roll as I ever dared imagine :s I've found they make me feel good, sleep well and have more 'cheer', some kind of infectious armour of positivity. Taken with a meal, or intermittently- a very good positive sustained lift can be experienced. I can't help but notice it makes me look more tanned too :S They're legal. More or less natural. And its what your body turns it into, that's best. Also, califnornina poppy's are good to munch all summer long. Nothing like eating a flower or 3 to lift your mood. I believe them to have some kind of neurochemical balancing effect. They're good for your brain and your nerve's like : ) And take the green smoothie challenge. Just blend up your choice of greens in water a few times per day, or juice green and drink it. Keeping your body alkaline is incredible! get enough green plants into you and it'll change your life! Celery greens, italian parsely and watercress or all contain growth hormone precursors. Get that gear up ya Edited February 20, 2012 by mud 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
indigo264nm Posted February 21, 2012 indigo, pls don't take that the wrong way, but... hmmm, there is nothing wrong with your statement, but just the simple fact, that you wrotte about a maoi and a ssri in one sentence... never ever mix st. john wort with sceletium or worse with a ssri anti depressant. now some of you, might say, i'v done it and i was ok, but this doesn't mean it's save. some people seem to be far more sensitive to serotonin syndrom than others. once, i used st. johns wort ticture for a couple of weeks, and than a stupid friend (which i helped big times at that time) begged me to, try out one of his ssri pills. the effect was scary. never mix caapi,rue or any maoi, with any ssri!!! Thanks for pointing that out. My statement was a little bit ambiguous. I never meant to imply that both herbs should be taken together. I was simply listing two different herbs. Also Hypericum's MAOI action is so weak that it now believed that there is a different mechanism to which it increases serotonin levels (if it really does at all). Any interactions with medications or other substances is most likely attributed to the effect on cytochrome P450 enzymes at this point and there have been no known reported cases of Hypericum being responsible for an MAOI interaction with another medication. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zen Peddler Posted February 21, 2012 Saffron apparently as well?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coin Posted February 21, 2012 here's a link to a similar discussion: https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=25317 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
etherealdrifter Posted February 21, 2012 thanks for the link coin.some of the of that discussion is really informative, espech the doses bits .thanks man Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buthoscorpio Posted February 21, 2012 indigo, pls don't take that the wrong way, but... hmmm, there is nothing wrong with your statement, but just the simple fact, that you wrotte about a maoi and a ssri in one sentence... never ever mix st. john wort with sceletium or worse with a ssri anti depressant. now some of you, might say, i'v done it and i was ok, but this doesn't mean it's save. some people seem to be far more sensitive to serotonin syndrom than others. once, i used st. johns wort ticture for a couple of weeks, and than a stupid friend (which i helped big times at that time) begged me to, try out one of his ssri pills. the effect was scary. never mix caapi,rue or any maoi, with any ssri!!! It is quite important to note that it can be deadly to combine MAO-Is with SSRIs. But Hypericum is no MAO-I! It is a SSRI. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zen Peddler Posted February 22, 2012 Occasionally licorice tea can be a great mood enhancer as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
planthelper Posted February 22, 2012 But Hypericum is no MAO-I! It is a SSRI. all the info i read, said hypericum is a maoi, but new findings, surface every day. hypericum tincture from the pharmacy, always gave me a uncompfortable side effect, which habitus i have forgotten unfortunately. i think, and i guess here, it was an edgey feeling in my chest, which pulled a bit. why i reacted to bad to mixing hipericum with a ssri, is now a mistery than, but it would be nice to see a reference to your statement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coin Posted February 23, 2012 "Xiao yao wan" - "Free & easy wanderer" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hava Posted February 23, 2012 Try dark chocolate + real coffee for a small lift Definately regular exercise and a complete healthy diet. From experience I can say that depression is not always 'medical'. It can mean you are not happy... which is why you feel... not happy. Try changing things, your location, your hobbies, your friends, your TV habits, unhealthy habits, rearrange finances. It may be your body/mind/spirit telling you something is not right in your life, and if you are unsure what that something is just start fixing stuff! At the very least you will improve your life! I believe our 'surroundings' are a reflection of our internal mind, and vice versa. Following this idea maybe to force a major change in our internal state we need a major change in our external life... eg.. moving state or city. Live in the city? Move to the country. Depression is depressing. Also, reduce alcohol and nicotine intake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stillman Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) Mexican tarragon (Tagetes lucida) and Salvia splendens in a smoke or tea blend seems to work. Edited February 24, 2012 by Stillman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
