What did you do to your cacti today?

[someone]

The mighty bolivian saguaro only grows in phoenix ash and is fertilized by unicorn dung. It rivals the true blue in rarity and mythology.

Terscheckii grow from southern Bolivia to northern argentina. They share habitat with the other trichs giants;pasacana, taquimbalensis, tacaquirensis, atacamensis, etc, as well as helianthocereus sp. and other echinopsis. They can all interbreed and there can be found many intermediate forms across their range.

You have to remember that when these cacti were named, as well as the whole cacti family, their discoverers wanted to associate many cacti with their names as they could. They based their naming system on spination, floral characteristics, seeds, pollen, and growing habit. All thing that we know now are unreliable in classification. So who knows how many species are actually valid. The trich giants have not been extensively studied to my knowledge and i can not find any DNA studies on them. Which is a shame as they are my favorite group of trichs. The habitat shots I have of them leave me in awe and I can only imagine seeing them in person in their full splendor.

I only know of two people studying them in habitat but that.was a few years back. One guy had a website up with great habitat shots comparing younger giants to their adult counterparts and they had very little similarities. The young intermediates were also difficult to differentiate especially because spination can drastically change from juveniles to adult. I do not have the link anymore but I am sure someone could find it if they looked hard enough.

I would ask ms smith.if he knew the.exact locations of their range and were they overlap. If anyone would know it would be him or he could point you in the right direction.

Also Bridgesii seem to.be the ancestral form of cacti.with the common name of san Pedro. They grow in central Bolivia but once again I.can not.give specifically of their.range. I am almost sure they do not overlap with the.giants but don't tale my word for it. I believe it was the latest phylogenetic study that.found out Bridgesii's rightful place as its own species. But the sample size was small so until a larger group is studied take it with a grain of salt. The paper should have been linked here already and if not do a search and I know it will pop up.

[interbeing]

Missed em

[☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ]

RAWWWRZ just got a phone call from this new olde super polite and cacteriffic midlands nursery

another macro cut, another fulvilanus cut, a possible flowering scop !!!! !!!! and a strigosus, which is another new one to me

- fed all the cacti with quadruple strength feed , since everythn was bone dry and it was 47C in the sun room

*melt*

mother nature (of all people!) sent a crack team of SAS (stupid AR5hole slugs!) to infiltrate one of my latest outdoor diversity-enrichment projects..

good job I managed to get the other cacti inside/far from the ground(on a bench) before now, littl mufuz..

sadly they must have hit while I was off duty, tending to the more important business of ... um , *tries to recall*

-further urine-tekked my yellowest cacti ..

has anyone tried tepezcohuite for healing cacti ...?

sun on

sun off

*realises how much deeper i got into cacti since joining here...

well fk my boots , why did i never read the thread's entrys from the beginning before I first posted? !!!!

check out that guys blatantly validus package that arrived way back!!! - the one with the hairy leg- mushrooman

theres gotta be somebody with a valid looking validus somewhere....that has a spare pup/rootable slice of validus looking validus in my not too distant future...

no offence mutant I appreciate youve been at cacti longer than me and if I learn I was wrong later, I'll be sure to ammend it....

but for now...

I think Im going to have to re-label this ridiculously gorgeous, but; potentially-invalidus cut

,....on the basis of this :

I can tell this is a validus by the phoenix ashes and unicorn terds

but what really separates it from terscheckii is the the incredible volume that it belly laughs at us , for gettn it wrong.

re-labelling shall be with a question mark and "white spined terscheckii" at most... , or at the very least; on the reverse side...

like the peruvianus/cuzcoensis....

until I can do the plant better justice .. not just the plant tho...

if one day it flowers hard for my grandkids , theyre gna look silly calling it validus ...if it hasnt morphed into the validus looking validus

especially if they decide to share out some seeds .....and they wont thank me either...

however , this plant taught a very valuable and unique lesson to me, and may be useful for that purpose for others too

so, by definition alone; of the word validus .... is the closest I can deem the cutting since it is very great worth indeed

its definitely the very prettiest terscheckoid I ever saw in my life tho

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/validus

wow that was pretty painful , that first validus lesson... at least now Im a little further educated on the subject , which is all pro

big hugs to those out there who shared the validus porn , youve helped so much! , and more apologies for the noobism : /

giggle

"dont name a clone if you dont know" *echoes in my head from nitrogen*

which means EG I no longer need help in ID'ing it , but thanks for letting me ask you and send you pics

and for your patience till it sank in for me

Edited June 11, 2014 by ☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ

[BillyThKid]

So i have a couple things. First off Is the so called Trichocereus "poco" which as far as i can tell is syn with trichocereus Tarijensis. Any ideas on this one or what it really is?

I bought it a month or two ago and had to cut off a large amount of spines near the tip because of those stupid fake flowers hot glued to the plant.

What is the origin of this plant or its known history anyway? is this a so called "poco" or maybe its a cuzco?

Second is that i have had this species of Opuntia for a long time, close to 10 years. for the first 3 it was in too shay of a spot but they have been growing good in this new full sun area for a few years. Anyway as of today the first bloom opened and i think i finally IDed it as some kind of Opuntia engelmannii of some kind. It has produced one orange flower with slight red or pink in the middle, but i know this species produces plants which make yelow white and orange flowers on one plant depending on the variation it is or hybrid.

Early in the day

Later this Agapostemon Virescens bee thing came by and pollinated it and took away a huge load of it.

[someone]

Interbeing is that your yard?! I can only imagine how tall those columns will be in 5years.

Thunder I feel your pain with those dam slugs. Some years back they completely ate an awesome ortegocactus clump. All they left were the spines and root. Then again two years back they ate the core out of a terscheckii seedlings. Luckily I had.grafted the top half already and somehow the bottom half still threw a pup which is growing fine now. As a preventive measure I now sprinkle salt around my pots. I have not had a slug problem since.

Also what.do you mean by using tepezcohuite for healing cacti? Do you mean using it on fresh cuts? I do not think it would work on sunburned cacti.

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Interbeing is that your yard?! I can only imagine how tall those columns will be in 5years.

Thunder I feel your pain with those dam slugs. Some years back they completely ate an awesome ortegocactus clump. All they left were the spines and root. Then again two years back they ate the core out of a terscheckii seedlings. Luckily I had.grafted the top half already and somehow the bottom half still threw a pup which is growing fine now. As a preventive measure I now sprinkle salt around my pots. I have not had a slug problem since.

Also what.do you mean by using tepezcohuite for healing cacti? Do you mean using it on fresh cuts? I do not think it would work on sunburned cacti.

I meant heal them in any way what so ever really ...re the tepez'

mine arent just sunburn afflicted, I have a few scarred trichos from france and germany

and also its not just sun, doing the burning lol:

flamethrow burns from a recent spidermite affliction

just passed through, relatively unscathed...

at least i got it right with using IPA , maybe I should swap fire for sulphur dust

also with the slugs Im reluctant to do much about them at all...

salt in the garden ...i only use once to consecrate a perimeter , I dont like using salt much, only as a very last resort, the closest thing to salt i do use, is bleach.

I don't use those nasty slug or snail pellets either since they don't kill slugs or snails and they do later kill my all-time fave buddies here,

the frogs and toads who munch on said molluscs

the most i'ze gna do is about 100-200 kills in about an acre i reckon...

, I notice that if a slug is killed, many more slugs gather round to feast... they turn their nose up at anything else,

even if I offer them cucumber

it appears they would rather eat eachother than plants .lol.

this will result in them being rather fkn easy pickings for my lil pals too

but yea what little basts of nast they are indeed

Edited June 7, 2014 by ☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ

[someone]

No I.do not believe the tepezcohuite will heal them but it may help prevent infection. I know there is a lot of good shit in it and it's great for human skin. You will just have to let your cacti grow out. The blemishes should shrink over time but they will never be completely gone. But you can always.take a.cutting once they are large enough and grow that out if you want a show quality plant.

Have you tried a bowl of beer to attract the slugs? They love the alcohol goodness and will get drunk and drown in it. There are also copper strips that some harden centers carry that.you can line the rim of your pots with. Snails and slugs can not pass over it. It may be a bit pricey though. I have never used snail bait either for the same.reason. except in my area it is the lovely little birds who would eat them. Birds and amphibians are some of my favorite critters and I would not put anything in my garden that would cause them any harm.

[☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ]

if tarijensis is poco then baddass . yet another cactus i already had that means i can double check poco on the list now

[☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ]

No I.do not believe the tepezcohuite will heal them but it may help prevent infection. I know there is a lot of good shit in it and it's great for human skin. You will just have to let your cacti grow out. The blemishes should shrink over time but they will never be completely gone. But you can always.take a.cutting once they are large enough and grow that out if you want a show quality plant.

Have you tried a bowl of beer to attract the slugs? They love the alcohol goodness and will get drunk and drown in it. There are also copper strips that some harden centers carry that.you can line the rim of your pots with. Snails and slugs can not pass over it. It may be a bit pricey though. I have never used snail bait either for the same.reason. except in my area it is the lovely little birds who would eat them. Birds and amphibians are some of my favorite critters and I would not put anything in my garden that would cause them any harm.

i tried cider traps a long long time ago , maybe a decade or more... around onions at the time I think ...they wrked a treat !!

that was the first idea I got of how many slugs there could really be in a small garden!

just i cant find any justice in putting money into the booze trade... its not just that i hate it for it causing me headaches n tasting/smelling like death ...

and being the very blight of the islands over here

despite; a cold beer looking very attractive on the adverts , and having paddy's genetics...

I might make some more elderflower champagne tho this year (everyone else seems to like it but me lol) and use that ...

thank you very much , Id forgotten that priceless tip

I think my grandparents might've originally taught me that one so extra thanks for the byproduct of

awesome memories flooding back

le sigh :*]

and yeah a show quality plant is alway gna be my aim, despite not showing them(except for here) ... for the love of the plant

- i will work on keeping their growth as of now, blemish-free and possibly root them deeper and deeper each re-pot

and since I learned early not to doubt zelly's advice...

I dont want to cut them till they flower .... so much!!... or idve traded cuttings by now

and always good to be amongst fellow nature peeps

another thing i found useful against the sligs x] in the past was crushed egg shells

they seem to hate "walking" on egg shells , stinks a bit if all the egg shells you saved get wet tho

Edited June 7, 2014 by ☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ

[hostilis]

So I went to water some plants today and saw that my rediculously top heavy 4 ribbed bridgesii graft finally gave out. It was probably the most successful trich graft I ever did. It put on so much growth in the last year. like 18 inches. Anyways the pere was like a wet noodle with all the weight. Then I chopped it off and felt the pere and it was actually extremely hardened. But it was just way too much weight for it. Here's some pictures.

When I grafted it at the end of last summer.

Here it is just earlier before I chopped it.

Here's the cutting. Going to be a nice plant. I left the very bottom portion on the pere so it would just pup and keep the cycle going. I'll just make that thing my cutting producer since it pushes out like 20 inches in a year. Lol.

[☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ]

-made some room on the windowsill for the next EU terscheckii monster that's on it's way

lol yep not enough room so far... Im sure I will sort something out

a validus X echinopsis tip looking happy

Edited June 11, 2014 by ☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ

[BillyThKid]

if tarijensis is poco then baddass . yet another cactus i already had that means i can double check poco on the list now

I know that would be really cool if that is what poco is. Thats why i posted here thinking maybe someone knew. think i need to post it in one of those ID threads?

[☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ]

Can someone clarify for me whether T. validus is actually a recognised species and where it grows in the wild?

http://cludwigfr.dyndns.org/fnfinder.asp?Lang=en&Plant=Trichocereus+validus

youre welcome

Edited June 11, 2014 by ☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ

[☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ]

I know that would be really cool if that is what poco is. Thats why i posted here thinking maybe someone knew. think i need to post it in one of those ID threads?

i dnno .. and i dnno if one exists.. if it doesnt ; perhaps one should be fashioned into being ... ;)

, im still really new here myself

- checked the zelidus seed tray and loads have sprouted now , at least 50

Edited June 11, 2014 by ☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ

[interbeing]

Interbeing is that your yard?! I can only imagine how tall those columns will be in 5years.

It's my mums yard that I've taken over

[☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ]

found this http://www.kew.org/science/tropamerica/Cactusproject.htm

checked seedlings : ]

thought id had a germination in the {SS} achuma bridgesii seeds the other day that mutant had gifted me with a cutting

, seems I was wrong.. nothing sproutn yet in that one....

maybe I'll hold off ordering from SS for now

... made a little cactus garden after seeing your guys little darlings arranged beautifully

and potted up 5 remaining scops , 4 of one type

, 1 of possibly a different type

... come on postman pat where the fahk are ya with me 11litre pots ya barsterd?

*itching to pot up my last pach and scop*... , mind you the storm we're about to have ... they will probably love.

*couldn't wait*

and was battering it down by the time I looked at the scop, so I just carried on looking at it

Edited June 7, 2014 by ☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ

[☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ]

It's my mums yard that I've taken over

I hope some flower for her... mine loves it when they do that

[☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ]

Hey Horsey, in addition to your Huancabamba I'd say your Ayacucho, KK242, KK338, and KK339 are also T. cuzcoensis. The same for Tarma, though if you've seen mine it's a bit more distinct than other T. cuzcoensis. Don't worry, same thing happened to me with those three KKs. As for re-labeling, well feel free, but be sure to maintain the original name on the side until they are a bit more mature.

~Michael~

i forgot I had 2 ayacucho trichos, one just labelled T' peruvianus ayacucho peruu

and the ayacucho you mentioned which is labelled T' peruvianus kk2151 ayacucho peruu ,

heres a pic of the missing non kk ayacucho

[someone]

Yep grandparents be pretty cool. I doubt I would be growing anything if it were not for my grandmother. I swear she.could put a stick in the.ground and it will grow.

I'll try out the egg shells if I get a bad slug problem again. Never heard of it but sounds lile it will be fun trying it out. Omelettes in the morning and slug repelent afterwards haha.

Not sure if this has been addressed yet but trichocereus poco is now echinopsis.tarijensis. it grows to be around 20ft and looks fucking aweaome. I love the spination on it.

I have no doubt interbeings trichs will put on an amazing display when the columns pack themselves with.flowers. I wish my family was more receptive to letting me plant cacti in their yards.

[M S Smith]

http://cludwigfr.dyndns.org/fnfinder.asp?Lang=en&Plant=Trichocereus+validus

Going by the information at the link, as well as other sources, I have little doubt that T. validus is the very common T. tacaquirensis (aka T. werdermannianus) that inhabits the region in the triangle that runs from Potosi south to Tupiza and east to Tarija (towns, not regions or provinces). The only other columnar Trichocereus that grow in the same region would be T. scopulicola (if not extinct in nature as has been suspected), this regardless of some of the claims that T. atacamensis does, but I think that reference is in regards to Potosi province which goes quite a bit to the west from this T. tacaquirensis triangle. If you look at google maps (satellite view) and locate this area you will see a very particular geological formation that seems to define the region in which T. tacaquirensis grows. Personally I've never been convinced that the Fields T. validus of Australia is anything other than a form of T. terscheckii, a species with a very large habitat south of the T. tacaquirensis habitat.

~Michael~

Edited June 8, 2014 by M S Smith

[dionysus]

today i went out and had a good look a what's been happening with my cacti (admittedly i have been a little negligent of late, not much time to spend outside in recent summers...) and had a bit of a think about what i will do with them once it's a bit warmer.

a few nice columns that were stalled since arriving in the post have gotten used to their new situation and started to put on some good growth. a little bit of insect / snail damage, particular to the main growing limb of 2 penis plants, but they'll all come good and if anything just throw a few more pups for me.

my favourite globular echinopsis (of which sp. i forget) has a pretty sever scale infestation, he is in seclusion now waiting for some warmth so i can go about sever treatment without further risk of loss. a few pups may be removed and both rooted and grafted just in case the sickly main head does succumb to it's infection.

i have a few grafts to make, limbs to remove and propagate, and one gifted preuvianus with tip damage that may be sectioned.

i have also recently been gifted a nice little crest with a non-crested specimen in the same pot that i would like IDd, the worst part is the species is on the tip of my tongue but i just can't seem to get it out. i'll make a new thread for this at some point.

(also, hope all the crew here both old and new are and have been well. i have been absent from the forums for some time...)

- dio

[hostilis]

 

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That seedling in the middle that's bigger than the rest almost looks like a gymnocalycium seedling. Lol.

[☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ]

No I.do not believe the tepezcohuite will heal them but it may help prevent infection. I know there is a lot of good shit in it and it's great for human skin. You will just have to let your cacti grow out. The blemishes should shrink over time but they will never be completely gone. But you can always.take a.cutting once they are large enough and grow that out if you want a show quality plant.

Have you tried a bowl of beer to attract the slugs? They love the alcohol goodness and will get drunk and drown in it. There are also copper strips that some harden centers carry that.you can line the rim of your pots with. Snails and slugs can not pass over it. It may be a bit pricey though. I have never used snail bait either for the same.reason. except in my area it is the lovely little birds who would eat them. Birds and amphibians are some of my favorite critters and I would not put anything in my garden that would cause them any harm.

those copper strips are said to carry a mild electronic current - naturally , and aparently....

as the slug makes contact with 2 strips simultaneously , im told it gets zapped... but then... some folk in england will tell u anythn for a sale lol

so whether that is true or false , I'm yet to have confirmed

either way they seem to work for folk here too,,,,,,,,,......... after a bit of enquiring

[☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ]

That seedling in the middle that's bigger than the rest almost looks like a gymnocalycium seedling. Lol.

ikr , I'm glad someone noticed... I tried to focus mainly on that one, I have 4 like it in this "mixed tricho bag" labelled mischung on the seed bag but not the listing ... I love em ... and gymnocalycium : ]

I bought the 1000 seed pack from germany ebay ... listing was "labelled"

1000 Kakteensamen der Gattung Trichocereus viele Arten

Edited June 10, 2014 by ☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ

[☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ]

Going by the information at the link, as well as other sources, I have little doubt that T. validus is the very common T. tacaquirensis (aka T. werdermannianus) that inhabits the region in the triangle that runs from Potosi south to Tupiza and east to Tarija (towns, not regions or provinces). The only other columnar Trichocereus that grow in the same region would be T. scopulicola (if not extinct in nature as has been suspected), this regardless of some of the claims that T. atacamensis does, but I think that reference is in regards to Potosi province which goes quite a bit to the west from this T. tacaquirensis triangle. If you look at google maps (satellite view) and locate this area you will see a very particular geological formation that seems to define the region in which T. tacaquirensis grows. Personally I've never been convinced that the Fields T. validus of Australia is anything other than a form of T. terscheckii, a species with a very large habitat south of the T. tacaquirensis habitat.

~Michael~

is this maybe why SS have that invalidus NL thing?

nooooo , i sure hope fields validus is a validus ....

and i hate the idea of seeing validus absorbed into terscheckii ,

i only just (lol) learned to recognise it apart from terscheckii after gazing longingly at a terscheckii I bought as validus thinking it was really a validus

now my eye is trained better... they look worlds apart ... the spines on a validus dont appear to be very curved at all , and terscheckii's are as curved as I like

one oz site selling werdermannianus has a pic for the listing that looks a bit like validus , way more than a terscheckii does

-found the pic elsewhere in a better res..

validus "fields clones" look very diff from any terscheckii i can find pics of

if noobality is talkn i apologise in advance... but ... dang

at least the validus actually exists ...phew

and those basterd goats..

i'm so new to tacaquirensis that it is baffling the heck out of me since both my tacaquirensis subsp' taquimbalensis from the same source ...,look entirely different from eachother ; the only place that seems to have em for sale is france

Main only similarity between the two are the spines structure and areole ... (if thats what I mean, I hope I'm making sense )

(and hope that youre used to noobs with incorrect terminology regarding cacti...)

and I read somewhere that Tacaq' subsp' taquimbo IS taquimbalensis

and I got a huge werdermannianus that looks nothing like terscheckii, taquimbalensis/ tacaquirensis OR validus; pics that I can find

my hope is that it flowers like a crown one day... at the tip only ... to absolutely confirm werdermannianus beyond shadow of a doubt

heres a few pics of each to show what I mean

tac' subsp' taquimbo 1 (first one aquired) side shot to show funny shape

tip shot

tac' subsp' taquimbo 2 (just got last week) side shot to show regular shape

tip shot

spines on both look like a "not so flattened out 10 short legged spider with 1 little skyward hardon and one big downward hard on"

and go dusky grey with age ... unlike any other I have so far

werdermannianus

and it's "flattened out 7 legged spider with a skyward hardon" type spines (lol)

tip shot

I know what pics needed for ID'ing mushrooms but not cacti, if you have instructions on what to photograph i.e. tip , spines, full shot etc I'd be grateful , so then be able to better help whoever is tryna ID them and get the rarer ones known better

dang the sun came back out n i cant see the screen anymore - will edit later if I have anythn to add

.....i didnt, ......i notice nobody else did tho either lol

Edited June 14, 2014 by ☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ