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Just wondering what someone could do if their package of research chemicals was being held up by customs?

Would it be appropriate to call up and ask why???

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Hey man, when are you going to release my shippment of synthetic coke?

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Good luck bro.

I'd make sure there is nothing dodgy in your house in case they come knocking.

I personally know someone who had items held at customs, and was raided approx 2.5 months later. Unfortunately they did have various items including drugs at their house. That ended pretty badly for them.

I will not elaborate as I have been asked not to go into detail.

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customs are a fiddly mob eh. i suppose it all comes down to what was in the package and weather or not its aloud in to the country. call at your own risk. good luck

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Theres a very high chance that this chemical is illegal. I'm sure you know the answer to that.

If it was me and I had ordered something I shouldn't have and customs seized it and then told me they were holding onto it I would deny everything.

My advice is do NOT call up and ask when you can pick it up.

It seems as though you want someone to tell you "Yes, call them up and ask for it back" as you are asking.

But its up to you.

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As already stated above, there's a good chance the RC you ordered is illegal (under the analogue laws).

I would:

1. NOT make any contact with customs.

2. Ignore any further correspondence.

3. Clean my house of anything illegal.

4. Be prepared for a knock on the door.*

5. Be prepared to lawyer up.*

* Especially if it was ordered under my own name and/or it was a sizeable quantity.

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very odd first post btw!

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Thelema, but what if customs is merely passing the info on to the state cops and this is a state matter? also, I think you are forgetting the analogues section of the federal criminal code act which is like a defacto customs analogues clause and which the feds have been using extensively to prosecute RC imports under.

alive, it might heplp if you state which RC because if it is legal then you have nothing to lose by ringing. if it is illegal then that would require a different approach.

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I would prefer not to say which one but I have recieved this one before with a sticker and note in it stating that it had been opened by customs and that there was nothing for concern contained in it. I also read on another forum that a guy just went down showed id and told them what he was using it for (plant food) and they let him have it, I know obviously not to believe everything I read though.

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sounds like Mephedrone

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I have received this one before with a sticker and note in it stating that it had been opened by customs and that there was nothing for concern contained in it.

 

If its 4-MMC, what are the laws on that substance right now ? Things change rapidly with RC's. If you were to traffic JWH-XXX a year ago it would have been fine. As of three months ago, it will get you busted.

You really need to find out what the current status is. People here may be able to advise you on the present legislation, but you need to confirm what it is we're talking about. Im assuming 4-MMC too, due to the 'plant food' comment.

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I agree. I think for this purpose it should be stated what it is. That way future kids can prevent themselfs from running into the 5-0

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wouldn't it be easier to state which ones are legal?

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Maybe, but I don't like the idea of posting on a public forum perused by youngens at time what they can order and import without conviction. I think its a better tactic from a harm minimisation viewpoint to start a thread that specifically states substances that are banned followed by their known analogs.

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analogues section of the federal criminal code act

can you be a bit more specific Torsten? I just had a look at this act and could not find this section you are referring to.

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Schedule The Criminal Code

Chapter 9 Dangers to the community

Part 9.1 Serious drug offences

Division 314 Drugs, plants, precursors and quantities

Section 314.1

(2) A substance is a controlled drug if the substance (the drug

analogue) is, in relation to a controlled drug listed in

subsection (1) (or a stereoisomer, a structural isomer (with the

same constituent groups) or an alkaloid of such a controlled drug):

(a) a stereoisomer; or

(B) a structural isomer having the same constituent groups; or

© an alkaloid; or

(d) a structural modification obtained by the addition of one or

more of the following groups:

(i) alkoxy, cyclic diether, acyl, acyloxy, mono-amino or

dialkylamino groups with up to 6 carbon atoms in any

alkyl residue;

(ii) alkyl, alkenyl or alkynyl groups with up to 6 carbon

atoms in the group, where the group is attached to

oxygen (for example, an ester or an ether group),

nitrogen, sulphur or carbon;

(iii) halogen, hydroxy, nitro or amino groups; or

(e) a structural modification obtained in one or more of the

following ways:

(i) by the replacement of up to 2 carbocyclic or

heterocyclic ring structures with different carbocyclic or

heterocyclic ring structures;

(ii) by the addition of hydrogen atoms to one or more

unsaturated bonds;

(iii) by the replacement of one or more of the groups

specified in paragraph (d) with another such group or

groups;

(iv) by the conversion of a carboxyl or an ester group into an

amide group; or

(f) otherwise a homologue, analogue, chemical derivative or

substance substantially similar in chemical structure;

however obtained, except where the drug analogue is separately

listed in subsection (1).

(3) The trafficable quantity for a drug analogue described in

subsection (2) is:

(a) unless paragraph (B) applies—the trafficable quantity set out

in the table in subsection (1) for the controlled drug to the

which the drug analogue relates (whether directly or

indirectly); or (B) if the drug analogue relates to more than one controlled drug

listed in the table in subsection (1)—the smallest trafficable

quantity set out in the table in subsection (1) for any of those

controlled drugs.

(4) The marketable quantity for a drug analogue described in

subsection (2) is:

(a) unless paragraph (B) applies—the marketable quantity set out

in the table in subsection (1) for the controlled drug to which

the drug analogue relates (whether directly or indirectly); or

(B) if the drug analogue relates to more than one controlled drug

listed in the table in subsection (1)—the smallest marketable

quantity set out in the table in subsection (1) for any of those

controlled drugs.

(5) The commercial quantity for a drug analogue described in

subsection (2) is:

(a) unless paragraph (B) applies—the commercial quantity set

out in the table in subsection (1) for the controlled drug to

which the drug analogue relates (whether directly or

indirectly); or

(B) if the drug analogue relates to more than one controlled drug

listed in the table in subsection (1)—the smallest commercial

quantity set out in the table in subsection (1) for any of those

controlled drugs.

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Nice to see that legislation is now being written with cute little emoticons. :P

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nah i reckon it makes it come off as smug :P

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weird that only ADDITION counts. Not subtraction. Hmmm.....

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If you were to subtract or replace something (instead of addition) the new substance would still likely fall under this:

(f) otherwise a homologue, analogue, chemical derivative or

substance substantially similar in chemical structure;

however obtained, except where the drug analogue is separately

listed in subsection (1).

Oh and yeah, the emoticons are representative of the smugness of the gummerment while they taking away our liberties. :)

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has any prosecution actually taken effect under that particular clause 314.1 (2) f?

Torsten keeps hinting at prosecutions that have taken effect under this section....but what are they? what quantities? have they ever used (2)f, or did they use some other part of 314.1(2)

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Does anyone have any specific case law examples whereby a "chemical derivative" is defined?

This structure (25C-NBOMe) doesn't fit into any of the chemical-based claused:

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I'm pretty sure they used ambiguous wording to cover all bases.

I too have been curious about the nbome series. It is a derivative of the 2c series which is structurally similar to mescaline, but the nbome compounds themselves look quite different. I don't understand all of that chemistry mumbojumbo in section (2) though, so I can't be sure either way.

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Yeah well the only one that remotely applies is:

(i) by the replacement of up to 2 carbocyclic or

heterocyclic ring structures with different carbocyclic or

heterocyclic ring structures;

But the group is being added not substituting an existing one

Also interesting thing I just found on the Wikipedia 2c-b article regarding it's legal status (it would be the closest substance to most NBOMes):

Australia: Controlled and on the list of substances subject to import and export controls (Appendix B:). Placed on Schedule One of the Drugs Misuse and Trafficking Act when it first came to notice in 1994, when in a showcase legal battle Chemist R.Simpson was charged with manufacturing the substance in Sydney NSW. Alexander Shulgin came to Australia to testify on behalf of the defense.(to no avail).

Would be interesting if someone could dig up some more information. I have access to most uni databases if someone tells me what one to query!

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