Foo Posted June 27, 2011 For those interested the JWH chems that are illeagle in WA are JWH 018 073 122 200 250 also CP47,497 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torsten Posted June 27, 2011 they scheduled 7, so you are missing one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
7baz Posted June 27, 2011 (edited) the drug cooks have already introduced a new blend in WA. not even a week after those 7 have been banned. and its perfectly legal lol its am 2201. Edited June 27, 2011 by 7baz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slybacon Posted June 27, 2011 They will get fucked under federal analog laws when they come out. AM2201 appears to be an analogue of JWH.... JWH-018 is also known as AM674(?).... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yeti101 Posted June 27, 2011 NSW joins synthetic cannabis ban Selling the drugs will be banned from July 1, with a ban on smoking them to come into effect a week later. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chnt Posted June 28, 2011 (edited) in hindsight baz if i ever got to live my life again i would not touch a drug of any kind including alcohol, whilst i have had only positive experiences and no problems ever in the past when i experimented it doesnt change anything i believe, in fact i think its all rather false......like putting on a porn dvd and imagining your a porn star when all you really are is a wanker. i certainly dont want my children taking drugs of any kind and the best experiences i have had in life are totally sober ones, sober is the new drug my friend.....once apon a time it was deemed different to smoke a bit of weed and co, now its just too common, to lame, very steriotyped and not very cool, the best minds are those that have not been touched by drugs. that statement is pretty offensive to me and i imagine it would be offensive to a lot of others too, for many many reasons. yes taking "drugs" to get fucked up or what ever is cliche and uncool, there is a profound difference between taking "drugs" and using substances to better your life, not to mention that there is nothing wrong with using drugs for recreational use if people want to use them for this reason, there are many reasons to want to take drugs, it may just be a protest to how fucked up the world is and why should they try to be productive? it might be to escape their problems, and in that situation they obviously need some help but the reality is that not everyone can get the help they need due to the society they live in. there is nothing wrong with having some weed and laughing with your mates, watching a movie or doing what ever, it's healthy to bond with others and it's cathartic to release yourself from stress, there is nothing wrong with having some weed or acid or what ever for creative purposes, some of the most amazing artists this world has seen have used drugs for this reason, have these artists not been beneficial to the people of this world? i hope i dont need to give examples of artists.. and these are all just examples of "recreational use" many cultures around the world for thousands of years have been using entheogens for spiritual and healing purposes, these entheogens have benefited countless lives, your statement to me is negating this fact. after reading your comment i feel as though you are saying that one of my biggest passions is wrong and i shouldn't be doing it, who are you to judge what i and millions of people have been doing for thousands of years? i am not trying to start an argument here, and i understand what you're saying (to a degree), but i would also like other people to back me up with more relevant points that conform to my ideology in this post, not to criticise you, but to reinforce my position. Edited June 28, 2011 by chnt 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ballzac Posted June 28, 2011 in hindsight baz if i ever got to live my life again i would not touch a drug of any kind including alcohol, whilst i have had only positive experiences and no problems ever in the past when i experimented it doesnt change anything i believe, in fact i think its all rather false......like putting on a porn dvd and imagining your a porn star when all you really are is a wanker. i certainly dont want my children taking drugs of any kind and the best experiences i have had in life are totally sober ones, sober is the new drug my friend.....once apon a time it was deemed different to smoke a bit of weed and co, now its just too common, to lame, very steriotyped and not very cool, the best minds are those that have not been touched by drugs. I think you're on the wrong forum 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DarkSpark Posted June 28, 2011 (edited) I think you're on the wrong forum that's what i was thinking... in hindsight baz if i ever got to live my life again i would not touch a drug of any kind including alcohol, whilst i have had only positive experiences and no problems ever in the past when i experimented it doesn't change anything i believe, in fact i think its all rather false......like putting on a porn dvd and imagining your a porn star when all you really are is a wanker. i certainly dont want my children taking drugs of any kind and the best experiences i have had in life are totally sober ones, sober is the new drug my friend.....once apon a time it was deemed different to smoke a bit of weed and co, now its just too common, to lame, very steriotyped and not very cool, the best minds are those that have not been touched by drugs. You are almost saying that everyone who uses drugs are an unproductive member of society, with a "tainted" mind. On the contrary i feel that those who have experienced and harnessed the power of a mushroom or DMT trip can truly look at the world in a perspective that no-one else ever could. Yet we are stereotyped and judged for this... Well so be it i expect it, but not from a fellow member of our close Ethnobotanical community. Yes being sober is great and many great experiences come from it, but how do stereotypes affect this ? Sounds like you used to smoke weed because it was "cool", not because it helped you in any way, and now hate it because thats "cool" what a good little sheep you are! I would say the majority of people on these forums are NOT utilizing entheogenic substances to be cool, but rather to explore the depths of human perception and the world around them. Stereotyping is one of the worst human traits and you are apparently a victim of this horrible mentality Santiago. Just because drugs MAY, or may not, have ruined your life doesn't mean it is the same for everyone. Just because drugs MAY, or may not, have ruined your mind doesn't mean they have for everyone else. And who asked about your kids ? I think all parents would want to protect their kids from drugs, not that it will work with the movies, and general media today letting everyone know about all the "cool" new synthetics avaliable as well as amazing plants that can give hallucinations. If i ever caught my children considering something like eating a Brug or similar i would EDUCATE them about it. Telling a child "No you can't do that" is giving them more incentive to do it as it's the "forbidden fruit" whereas informing them of the WHY will help protect them. [/off topic] Edited June 28, 2011 by DarkSpark 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chnt Posted June 28, 2011 thank you for your well written post darkspark. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ballzac Posted June 28, 2011 I think all parents would want to protect their kids from drugs Yes and no. If you mean, protect them from the harm that can potentially be caused by drugs, then YES. But if/when I have kids, I am not going to 'protect' them from a category of experience that has been one of the most positive influences in my life. Nor will I encourage them to use drugs of any sort unless I feel they are essential for their wellbeing, such as medicines if they are sick. I also do not think that recreational use of drugs is appropriate at all ages, but many kids experiment with drugs at some stage, and I certainly would rather educate my kids about which drugs are safer to experiment with and what are the safest ways of using them, than to tell them "no". I think that's what you were getting at anyway, but I certainly know a lot of people who think drugs are great when THEY use them, but think it's aweful for their kids to use them. Double standards? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DarkSpark Posted June 28, 2011 did you read the sentences following the one about protecting my kids Ballzac ? that is pretty much what i went on to say. i agree fully, education not prohibition same for kids as adults ! By protect what i mean is that i would only interfere through the offering of full information based on my first hand knowledge and/or research. If however they were looking to inject the substances i would immediately object. I wouldn't encourage nor discourage the use of cannabis for example however i would still offer them information on the pros AND cons of use. But things such as Ice, heroine etc would be a definite nono for me. But in reality if they want to ruin their own lives all i can do is offer my fact based advice because as i stated saying NO makes it the "forbidden fruit" that they so badly want to eat, but if you can SHOW them the horrors it can inflict on peoples lives there is a distinct possibility they will think twice. I would know being only in my early 20s and having been quite a rebellious child. The memory of the whole "forbidden fruit" theory that i associate it with is all to memorable to me in such a bad way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ballzac Posted June 28, 2011 did you read the sentences following the one about protecting my kids Ballzac ? Yeah, I did. Did you read the bit where I said "I think that's what you were getting at anyway"? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
santiago Posted June 28, 2011 that statement is pretty offensive to me this statement is pretty offensive to me i firmly believe anyone who has not tried at least one drug in there life , either it weed , shrooms , or what ever.. then you have missed out , you have missed out on the experience that life itself has to offer you. i agree, certainly an experience but just that, i just dont share your take on reality. falling in love, watching a child be born, waking up to a crisp fresh morning surf, achieving something great, sharing, giving, creating, are all much more meaningful experiences and 100% real. taking something to induce a feeling is just another experience amongst the trillions of human experiences every day, it seems you think that to achieve greatness and complete life you must take drugs. this is a dangerous message. I think you're on the wrong forum that's what i was thinking since when did this turn into bluelight or the drugs forum? i certainly take ballzac with a smile as he is a nice member darkspark- im primarily here for ethnobotanical reasons, i grew my first khat plant in 1996, i have found a khat walking home from maylands train station in the middle of the night by smell alone, if i have to go join a golf forum because im not accepted as a peer here with my own opinions and character then so be it, once again it is tolerance which should be one of the core values if not of life itself but of ethnobotany. at least i offer the flipside of the coin with my opinion, hundreds of people will read this thread and all it needs is one or two impressionable youngsters to see baz comment and see it as a green light to go shoot up cos its so so cool, all im saying is its not. make your own choices do what you want but not for one second believe to be cool and to comlete yourself that you need to take drugs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DarkSpark Posted June 28, 2011 yeah i tend to skip the nice bits and focus on the negatives. I am pessimistic like that xD Kids would be reading bluelight if they were looking to shoot up. This forum has sweet FA to do with injectables and i doubt would even RANK in google search for such substances. Also i am largely here for the "Useful plants" part of ethnobotany. However i have allowed my gnome to experience some of the "darker" sides of it and don't understand how one can openly attack drugs on the whole. You didn't specify once that you were talking about shooting up, you generalized and stereotyped in the one paragraph about drugs on the whole and the people who use them. This is like saying all muslims are terrorists or that all aboriginals are stupid booze heads. Especially in the ethnobotanical community there are SO MANY incredible minds. You are entitled to an opinion but to pretty much say that everyone who has ever used drugs isn't able to become one of the greatest minds is absurd. People who ABUSE drugs may have long term issues, but not everyone who uses them ! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ballzac Posted June 28, 2011 I certainly agree with one thing you said santiago: ballzac...is a nice member In all seriousness though, you're right that the experiences on can have on drugs isn't the be all and end all of existence. I think oftentimes we can get a false sense of superiority because we've experienced things that most people will never experience. But we forget that other people have also experienced things that we will never experience. Heck, I've never been out of the country. People who travel have learnt so many things about other cultures that I haven't. For me to think I'm better than them because I've had DXM and other profoundly mind altering substances, would be arrogant. The point is though, that even though drug use is extremely popular around the world, it's still something that is looked down upon by a lot of people, even people who have chosen to use drugs at some stage. Drug users are often considered second-class citezens, and are persecuted to the point of their freedom being taken away (in some countries their life), and talking about drugs and the experiences that can be had as though they are of no value is, in a way, endorsing that attitude. If you feel the use of drugs is not something you feel can benefit you, then everyone should respect that choice 100%. Likewise, those who choose not to use drugs should respect the choices of people who do 100%. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Foo Posted June 30, 2011 they scheduled 7, so you are missing one. Sorry there is a second CP chemicle Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slybacon Posted June 30, 2011 When I have gone long periods of time without drug use the little things seem to have more substance to them. It feels like a massive veil has been lifted and I can see through the fog, In the same way someone who has never had drugs may take something and feel the same way. I think this effect works both ways. When I live without drugs for a while I start to notice how much I am part of the system , after a while I feel trapped by my own moral concience. I feel like Im living inside the western box of fake exsistence, like Im part of some shit religion. When this happens I know its time to tap out, and look at things through a different lens. Whether this is real or not, the freedom it provides is liberating. I have the advantage of having very little responsibility , in that I am not in Debt nor do I have children. So being part of the "system" is not as important to me. So pushing the envelope on reality allows me to share this experience with people who may have to much reliance on the system to support their responsibities. Hence I can create Memes that are born from a totally different perspective. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
naja naja Posted July 1, 2011 Since when did our sacrements turn into simply stereotyped " DRUGS " I think most of us here, realize there is a distinct line drawn in the metaphorical sand as to wat is a sacrement and wat is a drug. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
naja naja Posted July 1, 2011 they scheduled 7, so you are missing one. I think the 7th might be the homologue of cp47 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slybacon Posted July 1, 2011 Since when did our sacrements turn into simply stereotyped " DRUGS " I think most of us here, realize there is a distinct line drawn in the metaphorical sand as to wat is a sacrement and wat is a drug. I think that is very subjective but we are getting off topic. Maybe this discussion is for another thread. Drug use vs Sarement use Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dude Posted July 1, 2011 I forget where I found this definition (McKenna maybe?), that a drug is an unchecked habit that one unconsciously and compulsively indulges in. For every activity and experience has a greater or lesser effect on ones own brain chemistry. Brain chemistry affects experience, experience affects brain chemistry. TV is a drug, habitually smoking cannabis is a drug, planning and preparing to take a trip to the carnival with all your own rituals is a special occasion and not exactly a habitual action, the quality of mystery is by definition beyond the experience of your every day habits. A drug is autopilot; a sacrament is planned intention. Unless you have a dmt habit or something, a dmt junkie is hard to imagine though. This is getting really off-topic. Santiago should start a new topic on why druggies have got it all wrong, that their experiences are hallucinatory and of no meaningful value or healing potential, even though that's the general consensus if santiago feels it necessary to discuss this perspective... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slybacon Posted July 1, 2011 , a dmt junkie is hard to imagine though. Its not un heard of. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Psylo Posted July 1, 2011 I'm having trouble keeping up with all of the positive energy this week. Hitchhikers are scum Buskers are one-trick pony beggars Porn watchers are wankers Weed smokers are lame The best minds are drug free What do we think of people who eat veal on the sabbath ? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dude Posted July 1, 2011 lol, yeah it's probably true that drugs weren't the right choice for santiago, what with all those sorts of insights. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
