eLwAd Posted October 21, 2011 ph, hope you don't think i was complaining on the viability of the seeds, stoked with the phf2. probably something i did my end that they haven't come up, or maybe they are taking time to sprout as it has only really started getting warm in the last 2 weeks. i dunno, never tried to raised edulis from seed before so it's all trial and error. i'm just happy to add to my collection, cheers mate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Illustro Posted October 22, 2011 Pablo knows he was probably to blame for the majority of his losses, but genetics probably did play a part in it also, simply due to the PHx seeds having a higher rate of heterozygosity than the NL-selfs. Its bad enough to breed with a sibling or even cousin, imagine how bad it would be if ya bred with yourself! Anyways, it could just be human error on the user-end, I'm not really sure if bisexual plants have any genetic coping-mechanisms for selfing (they could have something similar to moles perhaps?). What are your germination rate experiences with raising the two (PHx vs NL) PH? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
glimpse Posted November 8, 2011 having trouble pming you, any left Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
planthelper Posted November 8, 2011 maybe you have to post a few times before you can use the pm. i got plenty of seeds left! btw, the other day, i noticed that some of those seedlings display extreemly big serration of the leaves! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Khala Posted November 9, 2011 (edited) Hey ph just a general question, I had two of the seeds germinate in the same pot - one died (I over watered, but it was very young)and the other is alive, and growing its second set of 'leaves' which are displaying serration. However, it has been about two-three weeks to get to this point. Does it usually grow so slowly? I was always under the impression it grew rather rapidly. Peace and thankyou! Edited November 9, 2011 by Khala Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
planthelper Posted November 9, 2011 Hey ph just a general question, I had two of the seeds germinate in the same pot - one died (I over watered, but it was very young)and the other is alive, and growing its second set of 'leaves' which are displaying serration. However, it has been about two-three weeks to get to this point. Does it usually grow so slowly? I was always under the impression it grew rather rapidly. Peace and thankyou! yes, catha seedlings are very slow at the beginning, but once they are around 15cm tall, you can fert them more, and they will impress you with there growth rate! most of the ph f2, seedlings seem to grow even faster than anything else i'v seen before. i think some of the seedlings are weak growers though, but not many. a f2 means it's highly unstable, that's the downside, but the upside are new varieties! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
planthelper Posted November 14, 2011 update! most people here, trade seeds which viabilety does not get tested, in regular intervalls, but i do this with those catha seeds, to make sure, i don't trade dud seeds. so right now, i'm testing the viabilety again for those seeds, to make sure, they still germinate well. i suspend my catha seed trade, till my seedlings come up, or somebody else, germed some of those seeds, within the last few weeks, as such, establishing viabilety. have a good one! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Foo Posted November 15, 2011 For the purpose of information. Mine did not germ, im no khat genious though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeadStar Posted November 15, 2011 (edited) I have had a couple germinate within the last month planthelper. I also got a nice surprise this morning with a new seedling Edited November 15, 2011 by DeadStar Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mira Posted November 15, 2011 Got >50% on the ph f2 seeds in the past 3 weeks. nl and vw going down in the next few days so I should have a report soonish. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
planthelper Posted November 15, 2011 thank you for all the good news. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DarkSpark Posted November 21, 2011 Pablo knows he was probably to blame for the majority of his losses, but genetics probably did play a part in it also, simply due to the PHx seeds having a higher rate of heterozygosity than the NL-selfs. Its bad enough to breed with a sibling or even cousin, imagine how bad it would be if ya bred with yourself!Anyways, it could just be human error on the user-end, I'm not really sure if bisexual plants have any genetic coping-mechanisms for selfing (they could have something similar to moles perhaps?). What are your germination rate experiences with raising the two (PHx vs NL) PH? Isn't it called a-sexual in plants ? This means bearing boy and girl bits but not able to pollenate oneself i believe. Also PH i know i pmed you a while back but am keen to buy 20-50 seeds depending on price. Ill pm you when i get home this post is kinda like a reminder to myself :D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
planthelper Posted November 21, 2011 (edited) ph f2, catha edulis seeds, viability update! 7 nov planted 26 seeds. 11 day's later, the 1st seedling emerged. a few day's later, 14 seedlings had emerged, on the 24 nov; 22 seedlings were up! this seed is still highly viable!! Edited November 23, 2011 by planthelper Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hendry Posted December 7, 2011 planted these seeds a few months after getting them from PHWasn't sure if I had procrastinated away their viability. I tried to germinate these seeds with no luck at first. Felt guilty I had pissed away an opportunity to grow these hybrids.After some time I had pretty much given up on them.Then I put the heat mat under the seedling tray for shits and giggles and they germinated immediatley. Subsequently more than a few of the seedlings dieded under questionable circumstances- I attribute these fatalities to an isolated incident of negligent arboricide perpetrated by myself. ( I am complete shithouse when it comes to green thumbery) (exposed to elements too soon,dried out,blunt trauma.... the list goes on) The seeds worked fine.I on the otherhand......... (.Early batch ordered around when they were first offered by PH(threw away dated seedbag) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Khala Posted December 7, 2011 I had one germinate, and it got it's cotyledons and then was emerging a second set of leaves but they got eaten by something! And then it tried again and got eaten AGAIN! And it hasn't grown at all since, I am (wishfully) thinking it is building super roots. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
planthelper Posted December 9, 2011 catha edulis seed storage experiment: batch 1, seeds stored in the fridge, of 26 seeds, 20 germed well, after ~7 month storage time. batch 2, seeds stored indoors at floor level, no aircon, no heating, and it get's hot here, of 26 seeds 5 emerged healthy. shows you how important cold storage is! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buthoscorpio Posted February 4, 2012 ph x op : about 50% germination rate nl : 0% germination rate Unfortunately the nl seeds didn´t germinate Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
simon79 Posted February 5, 2012 (edited) Hi Ph Just wanted to let you know have had 7 phf2 pop up so far,, but lost 3 along with 2 SAB NL puppies, due to heatstroke. Thanks for the great seeds! Edited February 6, 2012 by simon79 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
planthelper Posted February 6, 2012 hi! again i say, that some online sources claim, it's totaly impossible to grow qat from seed, which we know is not true at all. but obviously, it can get tricky to grow them this way. i don't know why the NL did not germ for you, all i know is that they were stored the same way as the ph f2, and that many people (including myselfe) have risen NL from my seed. i got a new batch of NL seeds, so pm me, if you are interressted. btw, ph f2 seeds, will not be available again, for quite a while or maybe for ever, because the plants which produced those seeds, all died with the rains pf last year (yasi). i will reply to all of your pm's tomorrow, i was just super busy, and had little pc time, thank you for your patience. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chef Posted February 6, 2012 Are these still/or more(?) up for sale?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
planthelper Posted February 7, 2012 Are these still/or more(?) up for sale?? yes! NL seeds, a fresh batch has arrived, which ought to give you maximum viabilety. PH f2, is only available in the old batch, and it's viabilety was last tested by me, on the 24 of nov 20011. there will be no, new batch of the ph f2, because all the motherplants died, but i'm hopefull it might happen again in a few years time, with the replanted specimens. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
planthelper Posted February 8, 2012 attention please! i'm recalling my NL seed offer, because on very close inspection, i ended up with only very few, top notch quality seeds. this current batch, was simply not as prolific as i hoped. i'm sure though to have more NL seeds in the future, and can assure you that many people all over the world and mostly in oz, managed to grow healthy plants from my NL seeds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
